That didnt take too long...((android powered console))

[killgod]

If you don't think gaming on the phones is a big part of the future for video games you are an idiot. Here's just a sample of where we are now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvkW-...feature=relmfu

All depends on your interpretation of the future.

Will the leading technology, the most advanced games with all the blah blah blah bells and whistles be on the phone before consoles? No.

Will new things never done before on phones start to arrive, with games that are considered to be "nice" graphically compared to today's standards? Sure.

It's a growing market with plenty of money to be made and ground to break, but phone gaming isn't going to surpass PC/console gaming as the "leader" in gaming advancements and technology.

[SethMode]

Pete, I don't think that anyone said that phone games won't be a "big part" of the gaming future...I think most people just said that they dislike phone games for the most part. Big difference.

[SethMode]

There is a few out there that I'm sure everyone would like.

Oh I'm certain. Just pointing out the large difference between not liking them and thinking that they won't be a part of the future of gaming. I don't like Nintendo franchises at all anymore, but that doesn't mean they won't be a big part of the future of gaming. Similar situation.

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

You need storage space ..CPU/gpu power...and good input devices to push the envelope and make compelling games for "gamers". Taking resources away from AAA title development to make dumbed down variations or rehashes of old games isn't going to be a good for anyone.

However, one thing I do see happening is this console Gen lasting too long and allowing mobile hardware to catch up or surpass current power of the consoles. If that happens It's going to be difficult to sell a standalone console when they already have an ios or android powered phone or tablet that easily hooks up to a tv and syncs to a controller.

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

There is a few out there that I'm sure everyone would like.

You give me a good football sim ill bite.

[Twigg4075]

I think you are misrepresenting what Chris Grant says. I believe it's the future, only because the sheer install base will continue to generate money. To pretend otherwise is naive, though I wish it wasn't the case. The risk vs reward for an iPhone game is far below that for a big budget console release. Second, that relates primarily to handheld devices. In listening to CG, his point typically revolves around 'why would I carry around an iPhone 4 and a 3DS, when I can get reasonably good games on my iPhone for 1/10th of the price?' And I can understand that. Sure, you won't get the depth of Pokemon or the ease of buttons, but perhaps it's something like the Xperia play that bridges that gap...

I haven't misunderstood him at all. He is sconstantly trumpeting how great iOS gaming and how controllers aren't needed for great games.
I personally disagree. I haven't seen a single game on the iPhone, Android, iPad, etc that I would consider remotely great. At the very most they are time wasters but that's it. I wouldn't recommend a single one to anybody, unlike "real" console games that I come on here and recommened to people all the time.
And hid whole "Why would I carry an iPhone and DS when I can get great games on my iPhone" is bullshit. The games that are created for the DS/PSP are actual GAMES that are designed for those systems. The "games" on iPhone, for the most part, are just stupid time wasters designed to somehow use lame ass touch controls.

Damn, Twigg! I've got an iPhone, but I'm not a 'hipster douche'. I mean, I guess I can be a douche at times, but I'm definitely no 'hipster'. Just wanted to clarify.

I don't think everyone that owns an iPhone is a hipster douche. Hipster douches know who they are. Well, actually they probably don't. They are so hip that they can't even imagine what a douche they actually are.


And of course I know gaming on phones is a big part of the future, but that doesn't mean I think it's a good part of the future. Like KOF said, I think it will deteriorate and erode gaming as a whole. Also like he said, very similar to how motion controls are destroying this generation.

[Twigg4075]

Pete, I don't think that anyone said that phone games won't be a "big part" of the gaming future...I think most people just said that they dislike phone games for the most part. Big difference.

Somehow I missed this post. That is exactly what I was saying.

[Virix]

I cant see myself ever carrying a stand alone portable console now. Portable gaming is always about wasting time for me, and having everything from time wasting touch games like Fruit Ninja to full blown RPGs like FFIII (at a fraction of the cost of the DS version) to sports sims (iOOTP11) Im not sure what else I could want.

Theres no way in hell Id pay $30+ for a portable game anymore. Especially when Ill only play it when waiting in line or travelling or something. Ill never sit on my couch and play a portable over a console.

Edit: One thing thats amusing is the $6 version of NBA Jam on Ipad got roster updates but the $40 console version did not.

[SethMode]

I cant see myself ever carrying a stand alone portable console now. Portable gaming is always about wasting time for me, and having everything from time wasting touch games like Fruit Ninja to full blown RPGs like FFIII (at a fraction of the cost of the DS version) to sports sims (iOOTP11) Im not sure what else I could want.

Theres no way in hell Id pay $30+ for a portable game anymore. Especially when Ill only play it when waiting in line or travelling or something. Ill never sit on my couch and play a portable over a console.

Edit: One thing thats amusing is the $6 version of NBA Jam on Ipad got roster updates but the $40 console version did not.

Agreed on all points...and as to the last one, that is infuriating. So glad I borrowed NBA Jam for the 360 and didn't buy it.

[Twigg4075]

Edit: One thing thats amusing is the $6 version of NBA Jam on Ipad got roster updates but the $40 console version did not.

That was the biggest bunch of bullshit I've seen in a long time. I even sent a message to those EA dickheads that had tweeted about that .99 cent sale a while back. I asked them why there was a roster update for a .99 cent game yet there wasn't a single one for a retial game. Of course I never received a response.

[calgaryballer]

I haven't misunderstood him at all. He is sconstantly trumpeting how great iOS gaming and how controllers aren't needed for great games.
I personally disagree. I haven't seen a single game on the iPhone, Android, iPad, etc that I would consider remotely great. At the very most they are time wasters but that's it. I wouldn't recommend a single one to anybody, unlike "real" console games that I come on here and recommened to people all the time.
And hid whole "Why would I carry an iPhone and DS when I can get great games on my iPhone" is bullshit. The games that are created for the DS/PSP are actual GAMES that are designed for those systems. The "games" on iPhone, for the most part, are just stupid time wasters designed to somehow use lame ass touch controls.


I don't think everyone that owns an iPhone is a hipster douche. Hipster douches know who they are. Well, actually they probably don't. They are so hip that they can't even imagine what a douche they actually are.


And of course I know gaming on phones is a big part of the future, but that doesn't mean I think it's a good part of the future. Like KOF said, I think it will deteriorate and erode gaming as a whole. Also like he said, very similar to how motion controls are destroying this generation.

You are confusing the future as it 'will be' with the future as you 'like it to be'. Gaming on mobile phones is where the money is. Those stupid iPhone 'timewasters' will outgross the Pokemons, Dragon Quest and Prof Laytons 10 to 1 in the near future. Are they better Games? No. They aren't, and the gamers will recognize that. However, we are outnumbered easily by the people who want the time wasters and are willing to drop $1-5 on every piece of garbage that comes out.

I'm a PC snob. I think you console bitches are already deteriorating and eroding my gaming experience by allowing yourselves to be suckered in to limited experiences with no modability and no expansion. I'd love for every game to be a Starcraft 2 or a L4D, where my enjoyment can be infinitely expanded by a loving mod community. But it's not. All the console peeps who want to drop $70 on a new (shitty) CoD are ruining games in my opinion. People wanting to drop $5 on iPhone games and calling it a day, frankly, I don't see much of a difference

[Twigg4075]

You are confusing the future as it 'will be' with the future as you 'like it to be'. Gaming on mobile phones is where the money is. Those stupid iPhone 'timewasters' will outgross the Pokemons, Dragon Quest and Prof Laytons 10 to 1 in the near future. Are they better Games? No. They aren't, and the gamers will recognize that. However, we are outnumbered easily by the people who want the time wasters and are willing to drop $1-5 on every piece of garbage that comes out.

I'm a PC snob. I think you console bitches are already deteriorating and eroding my gaming experience by allowing yourselves to be suckered in to limited experiences with no modability and no expansion. I'd love for every game to be a Starcraft 2 or a L4D, where my enjoyment can be infinitely expanded by a loving mod community. But it's not. All the console peeps who want to drop $70 on a new (shitty) CoD are ruining games in my opinion. People wanting to drop $5 on iPhone games and calling it a day, frankly, I don't see much of a difference

You do realize the first real "video game" was on a console? Pong.

[calgaryballer]

You do realize the first real "video game" was on a console? Pong.

I'm not sure that could be any less relevant...

And in the five years before Nintendo released Mario, Richard Garriot released 4 Ultima games. Ultima 4 is regarding as one of the best and most powerful RPG's ever designed (in context). So while consoles may have been first, PC's came with the quality and depth that would be lacking on consoles for a long time

'Ultima IV is the most tightly woven game in the series. With clearly defined goals, an epic plot, and a powerful game engine, Ultima IV is a classic. Even so, Ultima V is its hands-down superior, with a more streamlined engine, superb graphics that retain their charm to this day, and an awesome story worthy of the Ultima tradition. Ultima VI marks perhaps the greatest graphical leap the Ultima series has ever accomplished, with the introduction of 256-color MCGA graphics. The scale of the world is many times greater than even the vast Ultima V, and the story, centered around the seemingly malicious race of Gargoyles, is thought-provoking and exciting"

Regardless, the entire debate above is entirely irrelevant in the scope of the greater discussion you so effortlessly derailed.

[leaffan]

You do realize the first real "video game" was on a console? Pong.

Umm no lol.

BTW Calgary =

[SethMode]

You are confusing the future as it 'will be' with the future as you 'like it to be'. Gaming on mobile phones is where the money is. Those stupid iPhone 'timewasters' will outgross the Pokemons, Dragon Quest and Prof Laytons 10 to 1 in the near future. Are they better Games? No. They aren't, and the gamers will recognize that. However, we are outnumbered easily by the people who want the time wasters and are willing to drop $1-5 on every piece of garbage that comes out.

I'm a PC snob. I think you console bitches are already deteriorating and eroding my gaming experience by allowing yourselves to be suckered in to limited experiences with no modability and no expansion. I'd love for every game to be a Starcraft 2 or a L4D, where my enjoyment can be infinitely expanded by a loving mod community. But it's not. All the console peeps who want to drop $70 on a new (shitty) CoD are ruining games in my opinion. People wanting to drop $5 on iPhone games and calling it a day, frankly, I don't see much of a difference

I am more of a console gamer now due to financial reasons, but that second paragraph was an exceptionally well done allusion to the topic at hand. Well done calgaryballer.