Spiderman lead wants a gay Peter Parker.

[Villain]

Would I be wrong in saying that currently Ironman is more iconic than Spiderman?

I don't think so. Spider-man is just an action hero now, and since he's been transformed into so many different characters, even within the span of a decade, it's fair that Spider-man doesn't really fit a specific mold outside of "smart orphan with superpowers."

Iron Man, as he's been made by Favreau and Downey, embodies many many more iconic intangibles, IMHO, so I don't think you're off.

However, I'll point this one out: I work at a fitness club that is geared towards families so now that it's summer all the kids are coming in for swim lessons, etc. The two most common "character" swim clothes little kids wear (at least the boys) are Lightning McQueen from Cars and Spider-man. I've never seen a kid come in geared out in Iron Man stuff, excepting maybe two or three with Avengers board shorts or shirts.

[Houston]

I can't speak for W2B, but my guess is that he's referring to the fact that Spider-Man was constantly popular during our upbringing and Bilbo is only really popular now (if popular would even be the word for it).

Once again..."our upbringing"? Spiderman was more iconic during my childhood than he was during yours. Even during the height of LOTR popularity when it was breaking records, none of the characters could hold a candle to Spiderman among any age group. So I don't see what generational lines have to do with anything...

Regardless, the overall point is more relevant: Spider-Man is and will forever be more iconic than Bilbo Baggins.

"forever" isn't bound by generational lines. You mention them in the first half of your post, and then discredit in the second half...

[Houston]

Tolkein never specified that all of the Hobbits were white.

This goes along with what I was originally saying, it was all up to Tolkein. You wanna know Bilbo Baggins? Read literally a handful of books and you got him, end of story. It's a pretty open and shut case(confined). His character has obviously been handled with care(sacred).


Spiderman has been written and made by so many people with so many adaptations that it might as well be public domain at this point.

Oh look, how many people knew he was now with The Fantastic Four?

Can they be in the next Spiderman movie?


This is what I mean. The fact that it's the guy currently portraying him who made this statement lets you know how serious people have been taken this character.

[Goober]

Tolkein never specified that all of the Hobbits were white.

Considering the way that Tolkien described the easterlings in the book, I think it's safe to say the Hobbits and all other main characters were white in Tolkien's story.

[SethMode]

Once again..."our upbringing"? Spiderman was more iconic during my childhood than he was during yours. Even during the height of LOTR popularity when it was breaking records, none of the characters could hold a candle to Spiderman among any age group. So I don't see what generational lines have to do with anything...





"forever" isn't bound by generational lines. You mention them in the first half of your post, and then discredit in the second half...

I will say you have a fair point overall, when I read everything you have to say in general (your stupid picture not withstanding)....I do think that you weren't entirely clear in your initial point, where you made it sound like making Spider-Man gay would not be equal to making Bilbo Baggins black. I think I get what you mean now, but you could be have been clearer out of the gate.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

If they'd stop rebooting these things every half decade, maybe these stories wouldn't be so stale.

But that's an entirely different topic.

I don't think its entirely a different topic at all...I think it is essentially the crux of the discussion here.

That, and, teh gheys trying to overrun everything.

[Golden Taters]

Don't make Spiderman gay that's fucked up.

[Villain]

You know what, I put the tirefire that was Spider-man 3 so far out of my brain that I forgot that it had a gay Spider-man already.

 

[JeremyHight]

This goes along with what I was originally saying, it was all up to Tolkein. You wanna know Bilbo Baggins? Read literally a handful of books and you got him, end of story. It's a pretty open and shut case(confined). His character has obviously been handled with care(sacred).


Spiderman has been written and made by so many people with so many adaptations that it might as well be public domain at this point.

Oh look, how many people knew he was now with The Fantastic Four?

Can they be in the next Spiderman movie?


This is what I mean. The fact that it's the guy currently portraying him who made this statement lets you know how serious people have been taken this character.

Not only is Spider-man in the new F4, he has been a member of the Avengers for over 20 years. Plus, depending on which Marvel Universe you follow, he is either a black kid or Dr. Octopus in the head of Peter Parker.

[calgaryballer]

Can't be any worse than the fact that the comics made Spider Man a black/hispanic teenager for a period of time

That's still the case, but it's in the ultimate universe. Parker is dead and Morales took over. Gets great reviews

[Palooza]

Spiderman is kinda gay, though.