Eligible for the Hall of Fame in 2011

[jeffx]

What about him?

Your opinion on him as player, especially during the Cubs years.

[Senser81]

Your opinion on him as player, especially during the Cubs years.

Overrated.

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Alomar
Blyleven
Larkin

[FirstTimer]

Woah... Juan over Larry Walker? In my mind that's insane. Either both of neither, but I don't see how you can do Juan and not Walker.

Walker: .313/.400/.565, 140 OPS+, 67.3 WAR
Gonzalez: .295/.343/.561, 132 OPS+, 33.5 WAR

I can't ignore Walker playing in Coors Field like he did for his peak. Juan has two MVP's and even though Texas is a bandbox it's not Coors.

I still think it's insane Walker won as many Gold Gloves as he did too.

Put them both in for all I care. My perception was just always that Juan was the better player.

On it's face the name Larry Walker never really jumped out as a HOF player to me.

[FedEx227]

Roberto Alomar
Carlos Baerga
Jeff Bagwell
Harold Baines
Bert Blyleven
Bret Boone
Kevin Brown
John Franco
Juan Gonzalez
Marquis Grissom
Lenny Harris
Bobby Higginson
Charles Johnson
Barry Larkin
Al Leiter
Edgar Martínez
Tino Martínez
Don Mattingly
Fred McGriff
Mark McGwire
Raúl Mondesí
Jack Morris
Dale Murphy
John Olerud
Rafael Palmeiro
Dave Parker
Tim Raines
Kirk Rueter
Benito Santiago
Lee Smith
B.J. Surhoff
Alan Trammell
Larry Walker

As I've mentioned before I just kinda let all roid guys in because one way or another steroid guys are going to get in, so I'm not going to just pick the most obvious guys or the ones that the Feds actually went after but not the mid level guys that were doing it, etc.

[FedEx227]

I can't ignore Walker playing in Coors Field like he did for his peak. Juan has two MVP's and even though Texas is a bandbox it's not Coors.

I still think it's insane Walker won as many Gold Gloves as he did too.

Put them both in for all I care. My perception was just always that Juan was the better player.

On it's face the name Larry Walker never really jumped out as a HOF player to me.

Well, OPS+ regulates for that. Walker's OPS+ is much lower than most other guys as a result but also still puts him above Gonzalez. Plus Walker absolutely mashed on the road too.

Don't forget Juan didn't exactly play in the AstroDome, he had a pretty nice place to hit homers for a majority of his career as well.

[FirstTimer]

Your opinion on him as player, especially during the Cubs years.

With the Cubs. Overrated by Cubs fans a bit but he was still very good.

Overall for his career a very good closer. Never the best in the game but always just on the cusp of the first tier. Hard to ignore 3rd all time in saves behind only Rivera and Hoffman.

IMO he's hung around on the ballot long enough. The writers have made their point in regards to him. He should get in.

[FirstTimer]

Don't forget Juan didn't exactly play in the AstroDome, he had a pretty nice place to hit homers for a majority of his career as well.

You read my post right?

[FirstTimer]

Rafael Palmeiro


As I've mentioned before I just kinda let all roid guys in because one way or another steroid guys are going to get in, so I'm not going to just pick the most obvious guys or the ones that the Feds actually went after but not the mid level guys that were doing it, etc.

The feds going after Raffy didn't cause him to fail a test.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Huh?

I mean I liked Larry Walker as a player but a HOF'er?

I can't ignore Walker playing in Coors Field like he did for his peak. Juan has two MVP's and even though Texas is a bandbox it's not Coors.

I still think it's insane Walker won as many Gold Gloves as he did too.

Put them both in for all I care. My perception was just always that Juan was the better player.

On it's face the name Larry Walker never really jumped out as a HOF player to me.

Go read the Walker thread, come back, and reevaluate.

[FedEx227]

You read my post right?

Yeah, but still...Coors was #1, but Texas wasn't far behind before GAB in Cincy was built Texas was probably #2.

Also, I don't get that argument because OPS+ regulates that and Walker exceeds Gonzalez in that metric.

[FirstTimer]

Yeah

Ok.

[FirstTimer]

Go read the Walker thread, come back, and reevaluate.

I'm even more on the "no" side now.

Big minus for being Canadian though

[FirstTimer]

Although this earns him points...
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aah42SHrt0M[/ame]

[FedEx227]

Game ruled.

Better than Ken Griffey Jr. Baseball for 64. There I said it. Fuck you.

[Warner2BruceTD]

I'm even more on the "no" side now.

Ok.

Based on what?

And i'd love to know how Juan Gonzalez was better.

Edit-went over my head