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  • MVPete
    Old School
    • Mar 2008
    • 17500

    This offseason for the Orioles has just been

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    • ThomasTomasz
      • Nov 2024

      What's bad in the Balfour deal isn't that we gave up on him. We could even come back to the table in a week or two and end up signing him.

      However, the perception was already there that the Orioles were extremely stringent in their physical exams for free agents after the Albert Belle contract. Now that the team has come out and done this to a potential signing, why would anyone else who can get a job elsewhere come to Baltimore? This whole thing doesn't make sense. Sure, we don't risk the $15 million on Balfour, but at what cost? Free agents are now laughing at Baltimore yet again.

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      • MVPete
        Old School
        • Mar 2008
        • 17500

        I wonder if Balfour comes back with legal action if it's found that he is good to go and it looks like the Orioles were just having buyer's remorse. He probably ends up in the AL East somewhere so he can stick it to these guys, he seems like the kind of guy that would want to do that. Couple this with the Troy Patton suspension yesterday and it's just been a really weird few days for O's fans.

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        • ThomasTomasz
          • Nov 2024

          Originally posted by MVPete
          I wonder if Balfour comes back with legal action if it's found that he is good to go and it looks like the Orioles were just having buyer's remorse. He probably ends up in the AL East somewhere so he can stick it to these guys, he seems like the kind of guy that would want to do that. Couple this with the Troy Patton suspension yesterday and it's just been a really weird few days for O's fans.
          Eh, I don't think that happens. Three doctors for the Orioles all concur that they saw issues, two other ones said there were issues for a career baseball player, but nothing their past with him would indicate alarming. It would be more trouble than it's worth- I would think the burden of proof would have to be on Balfour.

          But by all means, I would support him trying it and hope he gets that money from Angelos

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          • ThomasTomasz
            • Nov 2024

            Just read another article about Tanaka (won't be participating) and potentially trading for Samardzija from Chicago, yet the Orioles are reluctant to trade another young pitcher.

            I'm resigned to no moves being made now, and likely no contract extensions for anyone either. What a way to keep the fan base interested.

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            • ThomasTomasz
              • Nov 2024

              I don't know what is more lulzy……the fact that the Orioles have given up on any impact FAs as they are now talking with the Mets on Ike Davis, or the fact that the Mets want Eduardo Rodriguez in return for Davis

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              • MVPete
                Old School
                • Mar 2008
                • 17500

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                • ThomasTomasz
                  • Nov 2024

                  Pete, is it bad I thought your post was going to be about our huge signing of Quintin Berry?

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                  • MVPete
                    Old School
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 17500

                    Originally posted by ThomasTomasz
                    Pete, is it bad I thought your post was going to be about our huge signing of Quintin Berry?
                    Yes, yes it is lol.

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                    • ThomasTomasz
                      • Nov 2024

                      The Orioles are coming off a nifty two-year run, at least by the standards of recent franchise history. In 2012, the claimed an AL wild card berth, and in doing so made the playoffs for the first time since 1997. Then last year the O's followed up with a solid 85-win campaign.

                      Put them in most other divisions, and the 2013 Orioles probably would've made the postseason. However, being as they are denizens of the mighty AL East, they wound up playing just 66 of 162 regular-season games against teams with losing records. The 2014 campaign figures to be no easier.

                      After all, the world-champion Red Sox have suffered some free agent losses, but they have youngsters ready to step into the breach and are working from a 97-win baseline. The Rays are still the Rays, and the Yankees have compensated for the loss of Robinson Cano by lassoing talents like Jacoby Ellsbury, Brian McCann and Carlos Beltran (and they may yet sign Masahiro Tanaka). As for the last-place Blue Jays, they have enough talent on the roster to muster a bounce-back season.

                      In other words, the AL East this season figures to yet again be a rugged loop, particularly with the unbalanced schedule. The Orioles, although they have plenty of incumbent talent -- nothing wrong with a core of Chris Davis, Adam Jones Manny Machado and Matt Wieters -- have holes to fill. In and of itself, there's nothing wrong with having needs in January, but the problem is that the O's have shown no signs of seeking frontline solutions. Yet that's precisely what's needed when you're competing with the likes of the Red Sox, Rays and Yankees.

                      Specifically, the Orioles right now are slated to open the season with Nolan Reimold as the regular DH. Obviously, the DH spot is all about offensive production, and on that point it's worth noting that Reimold is projected by the RotoChamp composite system to put up a batting line of .236/.301/.406 in 2014. That's not awful production in the current suppressed run-scoring environment, but a .301 OBP from a bat-only "position" is far from optimal, even in the current context. The O's need to do better.

                      They should certainly avoid Nelson Cruz, who's a potential free agent bust, but Kendrys Morales, even though signing him would entail the loss of a first-round draft pick, would be a good fit for a win-now team in need of help at DH. As well, since the switch-hitting Morales is stronger from the left side of the plate, he could be paired quite nicely with the right-handed-hitting Reimold.

                      The greater need, though, is in the Baltimore rotation. At this writing, the starting five figures to be Chris Tillman, Wei-Yin Chen, Bud Norris, Miguel Gonzalez and perhaps Kevin Gausman. There are some innings and some upside in there, but it's a rotation that very much lacks a certifiable ace. It's possible phenom Dylan Bundy will be able to contribute in the second half once he recovers from Tommy John surgery, but -- given his youth and given the seriousness of his injury -- he offers no guarantees. What the Orioles should do is go all in on Tanaka, who's easily the best pitcher on the market. They're not named among the leading contenders for Tanaka's services, but they should absolutely be in on the bidding, especially given the modest $20-million posting fee.

                      More broadly, this is a fan base at once starved for winning after so many prior years and whetted for winning after the last two seasons. It's on Peter Angelos to seize the opportunity and invest in the product by going for Tanaka. Sure, it's possible Tanaka won't have any interest in pitching in Baltimore, and it's possible more well-heeled teams will out-bid the Orioles. Still, a good-faith effort is in order because Tanaka gives the Orioles and their designs on contention precisely what they need. The O's have interest in A.J. Burnett, but Burnett -- or even the more expensive likes of Ervin Santana or Matt Garza -- may constitute a half-measure. Baltimore needs a true impact starter at the front end, and there's only one of those available on the free agent market. Angelos needs to loosen the purse-strings.

                      Elsewhere ... After the trade of Jim Johnson to the Athletics, the Orioles are without an established closer, but that's not so much a concern. Many teams, of course, have proved that a team can hold ninth-inning leads without a name closer in the bullpen. Along those same lines, there's reason to believe that Tommy Hunter would fare just fine in the role.

                      The O's do, however, need some relief depth. Moving Norris to the pen makes some sense given his power arsenal and lack of a third reliable pitch against the opposite side (which is yet another reason to address the rotation). Failing that, there are still a few worthy relief arms on the market who are available at something less than inflated closer prices.

                      Second base is also a potential trouble spot. Jemile Weeks appears targeted for primary duty, and he might be passable provided he hits the high end of his OBP projections (i.e., .330-ish or so), but he's far from ideal. The problem is that there aren't any strong stop-gaps left on the market. The O's best hope is that 21-year-old Jonathan Schoop, who's on the 40-man, distinguishes himself in spring training and seizes the job. He certainly has a higher ceiling than Weeks.

                      Mostly, though, the front of the rotation and the DH spot must be addressed. Spending heavily on free agents isn't always a panacea, but the Orioles need to do just that in order to keep up in what may yet again be the toughest division in baseball. It's getting late out there, and if the Orioles aspire to relevance, then they'll need to grab a few headlines before spring training.

                      http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-...es-to-get-busy
                      Never heard of this writer from CBS, but good job calling out Angelos. Sadly, nothing will happen, even the Cruz deal that's been rumored on the table.

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                      • ThomasTomasz
                        • Nov 2024

                        I guess Delmon Young is the DH solution

                        Also we are bringing back Alexi Casilla, but my bet is that is more insurance for Machado not being 100% than anything else.

                        Interesting to note, the Orioles had concerns about Grant Balfour's wrist and knee, not his shoulder, at least according to Olney on Twitter. Definitely interesting to note.

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                        • MVPete
                          Old School
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 17500

                          Orioles offseasons are so exciting .

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                          • ThomasTomasz
                            • Nov 2024

                            Originally posted by MVPete
                            Orioles offseasons are so exciting .
                            I only remember one off-season of note, when we signed Tejada, Javy Lopez, Palmeiro and brought back Sidney Ponson after trading him. We were also in on Vladimir Guerrero until the very end, another player Angelos let get away from him by caving at the last minute to contract demands and still being rejected.

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                            • SuperKevin
                              War Hero
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 8759

                              Orioles just signed OF/1B Tyler Colvin to a major league deal. Sadly, this is their best signing so far.

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                              • ThomasTomasz
                                • Nov 2024

                                Originally posted by SuperKevin
                                Orioles just signed OF/1B Tyler Colvin to a major league deal. Sadly, this is their best signing so far.
                                David Lough was a better acquisition, but we are spitting hairs at this point.

                                My guess is Colvin and Young battle it out for the DH spot? I'm digging in for a frustrating year.

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