Hmmmm...

[Warner2BruceTD]

I think the difference in value is realistic. One player was a Cy Young candidate, the second best pitcher in all of MLB last year. The other guy is just a middle of the rotation schmuck who gave up a ton of home runs.

The numbers dont support what youre saying. A had a slightly better year across the board. Only huge difference was innings pitched. Run prevention was identical.

fWAR sucks for pitchers. Obviously based strongly on the goofy FIP stat which is useless & redundant.

It's definitely Player A.

And player A's WAR should be higher if he's striking out almost 1 full batter per 9 innings.

There is no debate A had the better year. Not meant to be a one vs the other thread. I was just surprised how similar they were last season. And my issue isnt that A has a higher WAR, its that the fWAR is nearly double. He wasnt THAT much better by anything measurable. I think bWAR kicks fWAR ass when it comes to pitchers.

[Warner2BruceTD]

I don't care about stats unless I can see who it is though

Again, kind of the point, to take away any pre conceived biases/reputations attached to the names.

[Warner2BruceTD]

This want meant to a be a WAR attack thread or "which guy is better" thread. I just find the side by side interesting, since A was universally lauded for having a great year, and B was ripped by some (well, after April just NAHSTE, but that was fantasy angst/trolling).

[NAHSTE]

Just for fun, let me throw out another player, that makes a better anti WAR argument then anything that Warner has ever brought up.

Player C: Age 28, 205.1 IP, 4.82 ERA, 7.28 K/9, 2.98 BB/9, 90 ERA+, 3.3 fWAR, 1.206 Home Park Factor.

Same year as the other two players Warner brought up originally. This is the most bizarre WAR total for an individual season I have ever seen. At first I honestly questioned whether it was due to a glitch in fangraph's system.

Well WAR being cumulative tends to help guys who play full seasons. A pitcher being slightly below average for 200 innings is more valuable than one who is slightly below average for 150, etc.

And I never gave up on Tat Latos, warner. He is a fine man and an even better pitcher.

[FedEx227]

There is no debate A had the better year. Not meant to be a one vs the other thread. I was just surprised how similar they were last season. And my issue isnt that A has a higher WAR, its that the fWAR is nearly double. He wasnt THAT much better by anything measurable. I think bWAR kicks fWAR ass when it comes to pitchers.

Got it. Makes more sense now, I hadn't read a ton of the other comments in the thread before replying so I assumed it was a "Who had a better year?" debate and yeah, no question.

the bWAR vs. fWAR thing is pretty tiring. I always struggle with it personally as Baseball Reference is my go-to for most statistics because their relatively easy layout so a lot of times I check out the WAR there and call it a day. I know they do them differently and the nerd in my should probably use fWAR as I agree with it's calculations more, but man, I really don't care that much.