*2013 Trade Deadline Thread*

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

RE: The Mets and Empire's post

Before the start of the season, the Mets and Marlins talked about Stanton. The Marlins wanted Wheeler and d'Arnaud.

FWIW...I'd make that trade. I think Wheeler will be special, but Stanton is special, too. If I could sign Big Mike to a zillion year contract, I'd do that trade immediately if I were the Mets.

[MVPete]

RE: The Mets and Empire's post

Before the start of the season, the Mets and Marlins talked about Stanton. The Marlins wanted Wheeler and d'Arnaud.

FWIW...I'd make that trade. I think Wheeler will be special, but Stanton is special, too. If I could sign Big Mike to a zillion year contract, I'd do that trade immediately if I were the Mets.

Ya that would be a solid trade for both, but that would put the Mets back at square 1 wouldn't it? They'd have the big bat they've wanted but then their future pitching takes a hit. I think they'd be better off just keeping those guys and splurging in free agency on a guy like Ellsbury, Granderson, or Choo.

[Warner2BruceTD]

They would absolutely move him for a C or D guy. He's been ridiculously unlucky so far this season. 54% LOB% is just not going to sustain all year, that's going to go back to normal rates and his ERA will plummet. I hadn't heard about him much in Chicago, have you heard his name brought up by other fans or Reds fans specifically?

The big gets (bullpen-wise) would be Thornton and Crain. Crain is coming to be the hardest to come by but could probably go with a B prospect and Thornton a C. Jones is interesting, if someone would offer at him I think they'd be completely open to it since he's essentially a peaked bullpen arm.

Haven't heard Jones's name anywhere. Reds fans have been clamoring for Crain, but I don't think he's realistic. They've traded something like a dozen players (mostly minor leaguers) the last two years for Latos, Broxton, Marshall, & Choo. So they don't have a ton of those B-level guys left who you can package together. In terms of anything with value, they basically have Cingrani & Hamilton, and then a bunch of lower level A-ball guys. So to me, Jones is a more realistic target because I don't get the sense it would take a whole lot to get him.

[FedEx227]

Yeah, Cingrani will work. Thanks!

[Warner2BruceTD]

Valverde DFA'd today.

Tigers will obviously be aggressive for relief help. Name that keeps popping up is Papelbon.

[Warner2BruceTD]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/06/yankees-acquire-brent-lillibridge.html

Yankees acquire Brent Lillibridge for PTBNL or cash considerations.

Also, Yankees sign COREY PATTERSON.

Yanks GOING FOR IT.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Cubs move another veteran Quad-A guy.

Hisanori Takahashi to the Rockies for the always on-the-move PTBNL.

[Obst]

Yankees and Giants scouts were in Philadelphia for the game last night. Assuming it was for Utley since it was his first game back.

Red Sox and Tigers scouts have visited a few times to see Papelbon.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Ya that would be a solid trade for both, but that would put the Mets back at square 1 wouldn't it? They'd have the big bat they've wanted but then their future pitching takes a hit. I think they'd be better off just keeping those guys and splurging in free agency on a guy like Ellsbury, Granderson, or Choo.

When have the Mets had a big bat like Big Mike though? Wheeler would be tough to deal, I do admit.

[EmpireWF]

RE: The Mets and Empire's post

Before the start of the season, the Mets and Marlins talked about Stanton. The Marlins wanted Wheeler and d'Arnaud.

FWIW...I'd make that trade. I think Wheeler will be special, but Stanton is special, too. If I could sign Big Mike to a zillion year contract, I'd do that trade immediately if I were the Mets.

This is from an April NYDN blog post....when Andy Martino suggested that trade to an unnamed Mets official:

When Martino floated this idea by a Mets' official, the response was "in a heartbeat." Another said, "you trade the pitcher for the everyday player every time."

[NAHSTE]

Don't think Wheeler and d'Arnaud is enough to get Giancarlo, truthfully. d'Arnaud is getting pretty old in prospect terms, he's older than the guy he'd be traded for, for one. Hell, Stanton is only 5 months older than Wheeler, even.

Don't think the Marlins are dealing a 23 year old superstar without getting bulk and upside. Getting two "close to the majors" 'spects who are the same age as Stanton, no matter how good they may be, isn't going to make enough of a dent in their overall future to justify the PR hit that comes with shipping out your best player.

Would think they'd be seeking a haul of 3-4 younger guys with upside, two of the A variety and two of the B-C variety. The Alaberto Mondesi, Jurickson Profar type 'spect is who they should be looking to headline a package in their ideal scenario.

In sum, that deal would be great for the Mets, but doesn't make much sense for the Marlins given their current stage of rebuilding.

[Villain]

0-9 record (despite his 5.76 ERA, he has not been that bad)

That sounds pretty bad.

[Goober]

That sounds pretty bad.

8.04 K/9, 2.28 BB/9, 0.76 HR/9. 3.27 FIP.

The thing that concerns me about Marcum, and probably the reason he is being BABIP'd to death is his groundball % is down almost 8% this year from his career average. And if he moves to a smaller park, that HR rate will go up. Factor in the arm issues, he's not someone teams are going to be giving up anything notable for.

[Warner2BruceTD]

8.04 K/9, 2.28 BB/9, 0.76 HR/9. 3.27 FIP.

The thing that concerns me about Marcum, and probably the reason he is being BABIP'd to death is his groundball % is down almost 8% this year from his career average. And if he moves to a smaller park, that HR rate will go up. Factor in the arm issues, he's not someone teams are going to be giving up anything notable for.

I can see him going to a fringe contender as a token move. A savvy GM of a team on the fringe of the WC2 race could pick up a guy like this for next to nothing and it looks like he's really GOING FOR IT to the fans.

Another good landing spot (for any starting pitcher, really) would be Colorado. He'd probably be an upgrade to some of the trash they throw out there. It's really a miracle they're 3.0 back with Jeff Francis, Jon Garland, and some of the other bums they've employed this year in the rotation.

[Goober]

I can see him going to a fringe contender as a token move. A savvy GM of a team on the fringe of the WC2 race could pick up a guy like this for next to nothing and it looks like he's really GOING FOR IT to the fans.

Another good landing spot (for any starting pitcher, really) would be Colorado. He'd probably be an upgrade to some of the trash they throw out there. It's really a miracle they're 3.0 back with Jeff Francis, Jon Garland, and some of the other bums they've employed this year in the rotation.

Yes a token move. Token acquisitions don't require you to give up star players like what Empire is fantasizing about. Marcum's peripheral numbers are very good, but the acquisition would likely be rejected by the fans a GM is trying to service with such a move. Mouth breathing fans would see the ERA and W/L record, and reject him as a loser. Also remember that Marcum played his entire career up to this point in Toronto and Milwaukee, the Guido's of the world probably have never heard of him before.