Ben Wallace Hints At Retirement

[Whatupdoe44]

Ben is now nothing but a flopper, it is time for him to go

[stevsta]

when you barely avg 2 or lower from the offensive side and you miss almost every freethrow and your 30+ its time to call it quits

[Archer]

when you barely avg 2 or lower from the offensive side and you miss almost every freethrow and your 30+ its time to call it quits

Who are you talking about? Clearly not Ben "the offensive juggernaut" Wallace

[FirstTimer]

Ben Wallace=overrated his whole career.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

They might want Ben to retire, offer to pay him his $14M just to get him off the books.

[mgoblue2290]

this statement is asinine. for the seven seasons that constituted his prime (00/01-06/07), he averaged 12.6 boards, 1.6 steals, and 2.7 blocks. from 00/01-03/04 he averaged 13.4 boards, 1.6 steals, and 3.0 blocks. he's 7th all-time in reb%. dude was a beast for most of his career and well-deserved of most of his accolades

He's just mad the Bulls overpaid for him.

[Sean]

he said the money was nothing for him, i'd say retire, Cavs arent winning a championship next year, plus his injuries plaque him

[FirstTimer]

this statement is asinine. for the seven seasons that constituted his prime (00/01-06/07), he averaged 12.6 boards, 1.6 steals, and 2.7 blocks. from 00/01-03/04 he averaged 13.4 boards, 1.6 steals, and 3.0 blocks. he's 7th all-time in reb%. dude was a beast for most of his career and well-deserved of most of his accolades

He's just mad the Bulls overpaid for him.

Actually it's not. It was clear as day when he came to the Bulls that Wallace himself was not a great defender. Wallace during his Detroit days was simply a good defender on an all around great defensive team.

Yeah the Bulls overpaid for him and he ended up being a locker room and team cancer there but if anything his lack of production in Chicago shows how much of an aberration his numbers were in Detroit.

[Kuzzy Powers]

Actually it's not. It was clear as day when he came to the Bulls that Wallace himself was not a great defender. Wallace during his Detroit days was simply a good defender on an all around great defensive team.

Yeah the Bulls overpaid for him and he ended up being a locker room and team cancer there but if anything his lack of production in Chicago shows how much of an aberration his numbers were in Detroit.

If you think Ben was overrated in his Detroit days you're sadly mistaking. He was the anchor of that solid defense and was pulling down rebounds like it was nobodies business. He was obviously helped by the Detroit system, but that doesnt make him overrated. He was a legit DPOY winner if their ever was one. Did the Bulls overpay? Of course they did. But thats not Ben's fault. They shouldnt have thrown the bank at a declining player who specializes in defense. Ben is still a decent post defender, but injuries and age have really slowed him down.. and he'll be more remembered for letting Rashard Lewis get away on the perimeter and hitting a 3 on him. But that wasnt Ben's fault.. it was Mike Brown's.. Ben is not a perimeter defender, he shouldnt have been out there.

[FirstTimer]

If you think Ben was overrated in his Detroit days you're sadly mistaking.

1. It's mistaken.

2. I'm not.

He was the anchor of that solid defense and was pulling down rebounds like it was nobodies business.

Prince and Billups>>Wallace's D.

He was obviously helped by the Detroit system, but that doesnt make him overrated.

Actually, yes it does. He was seen as a great defender in general. On his own. But if the system helped him out and made him into something more than he was perceived or rated as then by definition he was overrated.

Did the Bulls overpay? Of course they did. But thats not Ben's fault.

I never said it was his fault. But what WAS Ben's fault was him being a pain in the ass from day one and expecting special treatment and being a problem in the locker room.

[Kuzzy Powers]

Yes, actually you are wrong. And you've done nothing to prove yourself otherwise.

Facts and numbers > your flawed opinion. Sorry.

And the mere fact that you say Billups D was > Wallace's at the time proves you come into arguments blind and with no sense of actually knowing what the fuck you're talking about. If anything Billups benefited more from that system defensively than Wallace is. Wallace was THE BEST post-defender in the NBA for a half decade, end of story. Theres only 2 other players that would sniff the discussion, Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett. So even if he was the 3rd best post defender that is FAR from overrated.

[FirstTimer]

Yes, actually you are wrong. And you've done nothing to prove yourself otherwise.

Facts and numbers > your flawed opinion. Sorry.

LOL. Ben Wallace dropped off hard as soon as he left the Pistons. Look at the facts and numbers yourself. His numbers went down in each of two seasons with Chicago. He was never viewed as a DPOY candidate after he signed with the Bulls. Never made an All-Star game with the Bulls. Never made an All Defense 1st team as a member of the Bulls. Never did anything of note with the Bulls other than a meager 2nd team all NBA defense. That's it.

I'm sorry but if Wallace was as good as advertised with the Pistons the drop off would not have been as drastic on the floor and he clearly wasn't the player in the locker room the Bulls were hoping for or had heard about. Wallace=overrated. Deal with it.

And the mere fact that you say Billups D was > Wallace's at the time proves you come into arguments blind and with no sense of actually knowing what the fuck you're talking about. If anything Billups benefited more from that system defensively than Wallace is. Wallace was THE BEST post-defender in the NBA for a half decade, end of story. Theres only 2 other players that would sniff the discussion, Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett. So even if he was the 3rd best post defender that is FAR from overrated.

And Dennis Rodman. Also, Billups is still seen as a premier defensive guard. Wallace is seen as a washed up hack and has been since the 2007-08 season. LOL at Billups defense not being as good, if not better than Ben's during the run with the Pistons.

[Kuzzy Powers]

So he was a bust for the Bulls, doesnt mean he was overrated with the Pistons. Sounds like you're just a bitter Bulls fan who didnt get the most out of his investment.

And uhhhhhh what? Dennis Rodman? Ben Wallace wasnt even getting PT in WASHINGTON during Rodman's last FRINGE years with LA and Dallas. (you prob didnt even fucking know Wallace played for Washington) Years in which Rodman was nothing more than a glorified PR disaster. The mere fact that you even mention Dennis Rodman in this argument pretty much sucked your credibility out the window.

And even if you could legitimately include Rodman, which you cant, at all, that would still put Wallace in the top 5. Wallace was far from overrated in Detroit. Any real NBA guy will tell you he was the cream of the post-defense crop and the anchor of the great Pistons D.

[Kuzzy Powers]

this is some of the worst logic i've ever seen presented for this type of argument... and i'm being completely serious

Not to mention bringing up Dennis Rodman whos pretty much in a complete different ERA of the NBA. Good lord..

[FirstTimer]

So he was a bust for the Bulls, doesnt mean he was overrated with the Pistons. Sounds like you're just a bitter Bulls fan who didnt get the most out of his investment.

Actually it does. Wallace was barely a shadow of what he seemed to be with the Pistons. It's obvious Wallace as a player was overrated when he was in Detroit because of who he was surrounded by.

Take Wallace away from the Pistons and he wasn't even sniffing All-NBA first teams of the All Star team. That tells you a lot about how his perception as a great defender in Detroit wasn't all it was cracked up to be.

I never said Wallace was a scrub so settle down. He just wasn't as good as he appeared to be when he was in Detroit.

And uhhhhhh what? Dennis Rodman? Ben Wallace wasnt even getting PT in WASHINGTON during Rodman's last FRINGE years with LA and Dallas. (you prob didnt even fucking know Wallace played for Washington) Years in which Rodman was nothing more than a glorified PR disaster. The mere fact that you even mention Dennis Rodman in this argument pretty much sucked your credibility out the window.

I was talking in general for best post defenders I have seen in the last decade or so. Rodman>>>Wallace obviously. If anything Rodmans career shows how a true great post defender's career should go. No matter what team Rodman was on he was a great defender and rebounder. Didn't matter. Same with KG, etc. Take Wallace away from the Pistons and he does nothing. Again, Wallace was not as good as advertised with the Pistons.

And even if you could legitimately include Rodman, which you cant, at all, that would still put Wallace in the top 5. Wallace was far from overrated in Detroit. Any real NBA guy will tell you he was the cream of the post-defense crop and the anchor of the great Pistons D.

Prince and Billups>>Wallace defensivly on those teams.