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  • Primetime
    Thank You Prince
    • Nov 2008
    • 17526

    BTW guys, if you want to talk about Kobe's killer instinct....sure he takes a lot of shots in the "clutch", but the guy shoots like 23% on those "clutch" shots.

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    • Loco
      Noob
      • Aug 2010
      • 320

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      • ralaw
        Posts too much
        • Feb 2009
        • 6663

        Originally posted by Primetime232
        BTW guys, if you want to talk about Kobe's killer instinct....sure he takes a lot of shots in the "clutch", but the guy shoots like 23% on those "clutch" shots.
        Most players "clutch" shot percentages are pretty low. I've always had a hard time accepting the concept of what it means to be considered "clutch". I honestly don't see the difference between taking a shot in the 1st quarter or in the final seconds of the 4th. I believe Carmelo Anthony has a higher shooting percentage in what is considered a "clutch" moment then MJ and Kobe, but I'd still rather have Kobe and MJ take the shot as they are more creative scorers.

        IMO being a "clutch" player is something stat geeks have created.

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        • dell71
          Enter Sandman
          • Mar 2009
          • 23919

          Originally posted by ralaw
          Most players "clutch" shot percentages are pretty low. I've always had a hard time accepting the concept of what it means to be considered "clutch". I honestly don't see the difference between taking a shot in the 1st quarter or in the final seconds of the 4th. I believe Carmelo Anthony has a higher shooting percentage in what is considered a "clutch" moment then MJ and Kobe, but I'd still rather have Kobe and MJ take the shot as they are more creative scorers.

          IMO being a "clutch" player is something stat geeks have created.
          I have to disagree with this. There is a huge difference between taking a shot in the 1st quarter and the last shot of the game. In the 1st, you know there are going to be 100 more shots hoisted up. Whether you make it or launch it into the 3rd row no one is going to point back to that shot as the reason your team won or lost. For the last shot, everyone is looking at you to decide the outcome right then and there. Not everyone wants that pressure or can succeed under that pressure. Some rise to the moment, others shrink from it. There is definitely such a thing as a clutch player. Clutch stats are what stat geeks created to try to quantify it.

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          • Bomberooski
            #GoHawks
            • Feb 2009
            • 10474

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            • Primetime
              Thank You Prince
              • Nov 2008
              • 17526

              Originally posted by ralaw
              Most players "clutch" shot percentages are pretty low. I've always had a hard time accepting the concept of what it means to be considered "clutch". I honestly don't see the difference between taking a shot in the 1st quarter or in the final seconds of the 4th. I believe Carmelo Anthony has a higher shooting percentage in what is considered a "clutch" moment then MJ and Kobe, but I'd still rather have Kobe and MJ take the shot as they are more creative scorers.

              IMO being a "clutch" player is something stat geeks have created.
              Exactly why I put clutch in ""

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              • nwfisch
                No longer a noob
                • Jul 2011
                • 1365

                at the Wizards trying to rebound.

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                • FirstTimer
                  Freeman Error

                  • Feb 2009
                  • 18729

                  Lucas III channeling Tebow

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                  • nwfisch
                    No longer a noob
                    • Jul 2011
                    • 1365

                    Originally posted by FirstTimer
                    Lucas III channeling Tebow
                    Lucas III was good for all 4 quarters :highh::pedro:
                    :wvubcs:

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                    • FedEx227
                      Delivers
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 10454

                      Originally posted by ralaw
                      IMO being a "clutch" player is something stat geeks have created.
                      It's actually something they can't stand because it's so sample size based and inmeasurable. It's really anti stat geek in every way, shape or form.

                      In fact your idea of what clutch is is more in tune with what stat geeks think, while others seem to attribute clutch to something they hear a lot. David Ortiz is really clutch because he had a good player series. All be damned if his stats in big playoff games reflect his stats in all normal games are about the same but dammit remember in 2004... he's clutch.

                      LeBron has some bad fourth quarters and he instantly becomes un-clutch from the major media despite the fact overwhelming evidence shows he's just as good of a player in those situations.

                      There's also fluctuating clutch the major media tends to use as well. LeBron dominated the ECF, absolutely dominated the Bulls and was the reason they beat the Bulls. Then in the Finals he had a few bad games, do you think those were treated equally? Of course not. He instantly became un-clutch and couldn't get it done in the big game, despite getting it done in a ton of big games the entire year.
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                      • Mogriffjr
                        aka Reece
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 2759

                        lol why Lucas jacking up so many shots...
                        Originally posted by Nick Mangold
                        Wes Welker is a great player. He's really taken advantage of watching film. If we don't keep a Spy on him, he could really open the Gate.

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                        • Bomberooski
                          #GoHawks
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 10474

                          That was not a fun game to watch. First home loss for the Blazers.
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                          • Rudi
                            #CyCueto
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 9905

                            This Heat/Lob City game be hella good. brons FT shooting

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                            • Bomberooski
                              #GoHawks
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 10474

                              my stupid internet just froze on that replay! Was the ball on the way down there?
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                              • Primetime
                                Thank You Prince
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 17526

                                Ball was on the way down. Shitty that it happened, but it did. What a great game. Heat FT shooting killed them.

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