Official Fire Bruce Weber Thread

[Blick]

Three D1 head coaching positions, 20 years of collegiate coaching experience, .665 winning percentage.

Seriously, I just said that all you're saying is Weber has coaching jobs on his resume and you lead off with this...

Forget that he went 2-12 to close out the season this year. Don't worry about that 55-66 conference record for the last 6 years. Making the tournament twice in the last 5 years? Sign me up!

In the other corner, we have "likes basketball", "thinks he'd do a good job" and "parents lived in Manhattan, KS for two years in the 70s!" ....

Here's what would have been your breakdown of Pat Riley before becoming coach of the Lakers:

"Likes basketball" and "has slick hair".

I think he worked out alright.

Here's a recap of one of Gottlieb's interviews. Please read it so you stop making garbage posts about Bruce Weber. Thanks in advance.

~ Doesn’t know if he’s a candidate ~ has had convos with administrators about state of program, what needs to happen, positive momentum
~ If KSU interested, he’d be thrilled to propose unique idea for program.
~ He would surround self with staff that covers obvious holes ~ former head coaches, dynamic recruiter, etc.
~He has studied how to transform on-air personality into recruiting personality
~A competition he enjoyed as a kid ~ Who could determine what offense being run quickest
~ Believes he has the right mixture of timing, luck, support, cast
~ Restates he thinks it’s a hell of a job
~ Confident the right guy will benefit from the returning core team
~ Would take a different approach to get through to kids than yelling like Frank
~ Discipline oriented program with a different spin
~ Like giving a kid sugar instead of spice, would equip positive reinforcement
~He’s a fan of Frank, but thinks the good timing would mix well with a positive attitude to build off what Frank left, softer message to players
~On recruiting vs the established coaches:
~Would sell the chance to play, style of play, relationship with coach, chance to get to league, etc.
~Faster paced secondary break style, similar to Ok State w/ Gottlieb ~ up and down, fun transition, pressure D, rebound
~ Tinker with offense, keep core defense intact
~ Why come play?: ~ Player-coach relationship ~ connection with kid ~ other great recruiters aboard ~ salesman
~He acknowledges the inexperience argument, but says “either you can do it or you can’t.”
~Towards the middle of the year would do individual based practices ~ break down and walk through things/aspects/tactics
~Talks about falling into broadcasting ~ Analyst job just happened, opportunity appeared before him ~ has always aspired to become a player, analyst, and coach.
~Believes that anybody else we hire ~ will be disadvantaged introducing being unknown to recruit until first meeting ~ Gottlieb doesn’t need to introduce w/ name recognition. ~ Lavin and Gottfried as examples.
~Doug’s already picked up the phone and called the guys he wants to join as staff
~Supports Underwood, but aware the guy is not known outside of KState.
~Thinks he’d bring an immediate buzz, but there’d also be substance behind buzz
~Would know where, how, who to recruit ~ supporting cast to fill in blanks
~Says good teams have great staffs ~ an undervalued aspect
~“You can do special things if given the resources and given the planning … yes, I’ve already done the legwork.”
~Process for KSU entails getting a hiring firm, vetting, interviews, vote of confidence from “godfather”
~Wants to sit down with Currie and explain exactly what his plan is with KSU
~ All for player-coach boundaries and accountability
~ One name that would be on his staff ~ Woljick (sp?) from Tulsa
~ Doug’s dad thinks the K-State idea is great
~ Nobody’s ever won without players, but nobody else was ever given the “pen” for playmaking freedom from Sutton like Gott did.
~ Thinks it’s a good job because of the big time facilities, league is stable and competitive, ESPN deal, well regarded job. Better job than before Huggy came along

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Thinks he’d bring an immediate buzz, but there’d also be substance behind buzz

Well he certainly thinks highly of himself, we've established that. I love the confidence and the sales pitch, but none of that makes you a good coach. First of all, Gottlieb is not as well known of a personality as he thinks he is, he's either the 4th or 5th most famous CBB voice at ESPN, and secondly, with his lack of experience it'd be a huge risk for K-State to take ... It's a total "fuck it, why not?" hire, which is not the type already established programs need to be making. Of course as a fan, you are fine with "thinking outside the box," because it's not your job on the line if the idea blows up everyone's face. There is too much risk to be assumed by K-State, and the potential reward is so little since K-State is already a 20-win type of program. Best case scenario with Gottlieb, he keeps you exactly where you are. Worst case, he falls on his face and the AD loses his job.

Curry played it safe and Gottlieb was never a viable candidate. If it wasn't Weber, it'd have been one of a half-dozen other guys not named Doug Gottlieb. The sooner you stop deluding yourselves the sooner Gottlieb will.

[Blick]

Well he certainly thinks highly of himself, we've established that. I love the confidence and the sales pitch, but none of that makes you a good coach. First of all, Gottlieb is not as well known of a personality as he thinks he is, he's either the 4th or 5th most famous CBB voice at ESPN, and secondly, with his lack of experience it'd be a huge risk for K-State to take ... It's a total "fuck it, why not?" hire, which is not the type already established programs need to be making. Of course as a fan, you are fine with "thinking outside the box," because it's not your job on the line if the idea blows up everyone's face. There is too much risk to be assumed by K-State, and the potential reward is so little since K-State is already a 20-win type of program. Best case scenario with Gottlieb, he keeps you exactly where you are. Worst case, he falls on his face and the AD loses his job.

Curry played it safe and Gottlieb was never a viable candidate. If it wasn't Weber, it'd have been one of a half-dozen other guys not named Doug Gottlieb. The sooner you stop deluding yourselves the sooner Gottlieb will.

The confidence and sales pitch may not make him a good coach, but it would probably make him a good recruiter, no?

You know what would make him a good coach? His knowledge of X's and O's. Like him or not as a talking head, but he knows his shit. He's also the only guy Eddie Sutton ever let draw up plays in the huddle.

I agree that he's not the most recognizable guy at ESPN, but he doesn't have to be. Kids still know who he is, and that helps with recruiting as well.

The lack of experience isn't as big of a deal as you are making it. You act like he's going at this alone. Like he mentions, he gets to put a staff together to cover up his inexperience. It sounded like he had a pretty good one already lined up too.

And he wouldn't be the first guy to succeed in coaching with little or no experience. I mentioned Pat Riley. He had no coaching experience before going to the Lakers. Fred Hoiberg didn't have any coaching experience either prior to being hired at Iowa State. He took a shit team to a .500 record in his first year, and then a 23-11 record this year, and a trip to the round of 32 after beating Jim Calhoun's squad.

Gottlieb would have been a risk, but I think he would have taken K-State to the next level. He talked about K-State as a big time job, and I know that's weird for you to hear as an outsider, but it's true. K-State, before Bruce Weber, was in a great position. They've made the tournament 4 out of the last 5 years, and they were snubbed the other year. They've made it to the round of 32 (at least) in each of the last 3 years. Only 7 other schools in the country can claim that.

K-State was actually in a perfect position to make a risky hire. They have a tournament team coming back. They only lose 1 scholarship player. So, it would have been a great situation for Gottlieb to get his feet wet.

K-State should want to be great, but instead they chose to settle for mediocrity. That's what you get when you make a safe hire. If you want to be great, then you need to take a risk. That's true for pretty much anything in life. It may not work out, but at least you had the balls to try.

[Pitty]

Yeah they should have hired a guy who is a felon and who played under one of the least ethical coaches ever to grace the game.

Everytime you say "good recruiter" I have to laugh to myself a little bit. They made the right choice, stop being moronic.

[Blick]

Weber was the safe pick, and the AD didn't want to risk it. Sorry Blick/Swarley but that's basically all that needs to be said here. You're just gonna give yourself more grey hairs getting pissed off about it or just accept it and hope Weber does a good job. Martin did a great job and the teams momentum is on the rise, just have to believe that Weber can continue the trend and keep the program going up.

Welp, golly gee, I guess I'll just shut up now and support a terrible hire. You really opened my eyes, Pete.

[Pitty]

~ Doesn’t know if he’s a candidate ~ has had convos with administrators about state of program, what needs to happen, positive momentum
~ If KSU interested, he’d be thrilled to propose unique idea for program.
~ He would surround self with staff that covers obvious holes ~ former head coaches, dynamic recruiter, etc.
~He has studied how to transform on-air personality into recruiting personality
~A competition he enjoyed as a kid ~ Who could determine what offense being run quickest
~ Believes he has the right mixture of timing, luck, support, cast
~ Restates he thinks it’s a hell of a job
~ Confident the right guy will benefit from the returning core team
~ Would take a different approach to get through to kids than yelling like Frank
~ Discipline oriented program with a different spin
~ Like giving a kid sugar instead of spice, would equip positive reinforcement
~He’s a fan of Frank, but thinks the good timing would mix well with a positive attitude to build off what Frank left, softer message to players
~On recruiting vs the established coaches:
~Would sell the chance to play, style of play, relationship with coach, chance to get to league, etc.
~Faster paced secondary break style, similar to Ok State w/ Gottlieb ~ up and down, fun transition, pressure D, rebound
~ Tinker with offense, keep core defense intact
~ Why come play?: ~ Player-coach relationship ~ connection with kid ~ other great recruiters aboard ~ salesman
~He acknowledges the inexperience argument, but says “either you can do it or you can’t.”
~Towards the middle of the year would do individual based practices ~ break down and walk through things/aspects/tactics
~Talks about falling into broadcasting ~ Analyst job just happened, opportunity appeared before him ~ has always aspired to become a player, analyst, and coach.
~Believes that anybody else we hire ~ will be disadvantaged introducing being unknown to recruit until first meeting ~ Gottlieb doesn’t need to introduce w/ name recognition. ~ Lavin and Gottfried as examples.
~Doug’s already picked up the phone and called the guys he wants to join as staff
~Supports Underwood, but aware the guy is not known outside of KState.
~Thinks he’d bring an immediate buzz, but there’d also be substance behind buzz
~Would know where, how, who to recruit ~ supporting cast to fill in blanks
~Says good teams have great staffs ~ an undervalued aspect
~“You can do special things if given the resources and given the planning … yes, I’ve already done the legwork.”
~Process for KSU entails getting a hiring firm, vetting, interviews, vote of confidence from “godfather”
~Wants to sit down with Currie and explain exactly what his plan is with KSU
~ All for player-coach boundaries and accountability
~ One name that would be on his staff ~ Woljick (sp?) from Tulsa
~ Doug’s dad thinks the K-State idea is great
~ Nobody’s ever won without players, but nobody else was ever given the “pen” for playmaking freedom from Sutton like Gott did.
~ Thinks it’s a good job because of the big time facilities, league is stable and competitive, ESPN deal, well regarded job. Better job than before Huggy came along

Where did this come from? Or is this your reasoning as to why he is qualified?

[Blick]

Yeah they should have hired a guy who is a felon and who played under one of the least ethical coaches ever to grace the game.

Everytime you say "good recruiter" I have to laugh to myself a little bit. They made the right choice, stop being moronic.

I value your opinion probably the least out of anyone here, FWIW.

[Blick]

Where did this come from? Or is this your reasoning as to why he is qualified?

Here's a recap of one of Gottlieb's interviews.

[Pitty]

I value your opinion probably the least out of anyone here, FWIW.

That's cool and all, but you need to face the facts that no one looks at KSU as an elite or clean program. You can thank Huggins for buying your recent talent, but if I'm your AD I'm trying to get that image out of the popular mindset. At least they signed a coach who has been to a NC game, has a decent recruiting pedigree and not some schmuck who has a.) stolen credit cards, b.) played for a drunk/cheater, c.) coached with a cheater (check out his time in Israel).

Call it opinion, but the truth is Gottlieb never has a positive thing to say about anyone, and I don't know why you think that he would translate into a cohesive coach, he could divide a locker room faster than Moses. The guy even threw Sutton under the bus, after the guy basically saved his career. He's a piece of shit, end of story.

[Blick]

That's cool and all, but you need to face the facts that no one looks at KSU as an elite or clean program. You can thank Huggins for buying your recent talent, but if I'm your AD I'm trying to get that image out of the popular mindset. At least they signed a coach who has been to a NC game, has a decent recruiting pedigree and not some schmuck who has a.) stolen credit cards, b.) played for a drunk/cheater, c.) coached with a cheater (check out his time in Israel).

Call it opinion, but the truth is Gottlieb never has a positive thing to say about anyone, and I don't know why you think that he would translate into a cohesive coach, he could divide a locker room faster than Moses. The guy even threw Sutton under the bus, after the guy basically saved his career. He's a piece of shit, end of story.

This post is really bad, but I'm not going into the Gottlieb shit anymore. That's over and done with. If you want to say that Weber is a better hire than Gottlieb, fine. But it wasn't the best hire K-State could have made. Not even fucking close. Weber was looking at the SMU and College of Charleston jobs. If you want to say that K-State isn't that good job of a job, fine. But it's obviously better than a mid-major job. K-State underachieved with this hire big time.

[Blick]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaZkGvTO-g0"]Bruce Weber: Jack of All Trades - YouTube[/ame]

[Blick]

Weber bringing along former Saluki head coach Chris Lowery, fresh off being fired for an 8-23 season and 1 winning season in the last 5 years. Fantastic.

The future looks bright, guys.

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It's sad to be honest