Whitlock tears up Iverson

[Whatupdoe44]

Jason Whitlock is one of the worst writers in america, he is right there behind jamele hill. All he talks about is race, and to me that is freakin retarded.

Detroit knew what they were getting with AI, they decided to basically tank the season to have a shot at carlos boozer.

[Senser81]

what the hell do they mean by chocolate coach, gm etc?

Whitlock uses that type of terminology to remain employed.

[Herm]

I disagree witha major argument of Whitlocks though concerning AI's Philly days. They brought him in to be a scorer. They wanted him to pour in points. To hold that against him and compare him to Thomas, who was a true point guard and was supposed to run the team and distribute to other legit NBA guys is off base.

He then brings up how AI never developed a McHale Pippen, etc. Well who did Philly ever give him? I agree with Iverson being selfish now I just disagree with Whitlock's analysis of Iverson's Philly days.

At one point Philadelphia had 3 #1 overall draft picks on the roster at the same time ( Iverson, Webber, Derrick Coleman). He played with other good scorers like Stackhouse, Larry Hughes. Its not like had ZERO help he had other legitimate scorers there. He played alongside one of the best scorers in the league in Denver and that got him nowhere as well.
He's a great player, but he'll always be the empty stats guy.

[Herm]

what the hell do they mean by chocolate coach, gm etc?

Whitlock being Whitlock, i'll admit i didnt see that part because i didnt read the whole article.

[FirstTimer]

At one point Philadelphia had 3 #1 overall draft picks on the roster at the same time ( Iverson, Webber, Derrick Coleman).

Oh come on now. He had those two guys at the end of their careers and they were shells of their former selves and nowhere near their prime.

Coleman could barely ever stay healthy during either of his two tenurs in Philly and Webber was 2 seasons from retirement when Philly got him.

He played with other good scorers like Stackhouse, Larry Hughes.

Larry Hughes has been a problem anywhere he has ever gone and never been able to deal with not being "the man". Hughes, in a season and a half in Philly played in a combined 100 games, started 6 and averaged single digits in points. Hughes was not a "scorer" when he was with Philly and was shipped to Golden State, where he then became a better scorer.


Stack was in Philly was 2 1/2 seasons before they shipped him out to Detroit and only played a season and a half with AI. Philly thought Stack was expendable because of Iverson's prescence. Another example of Philly getting rid of talent around AI fro Theo Ratliff and Aaron McKie.

So far Iverson played with "other good scorers" for a combined 3 seasons of his Philly career.

Its not like had ZERO help he had other legitimate scorers there. He played alongside one of the best scorers in the league in Denver and that got him nowhere as well.
He's a great player, but he'll always be the empty stats guy.

Give me a break. Emty stats? He's won an MVP award, 4 scoring titles and carried a team of bums to the NBA Finals on his back. Year in and year out he took a lottery team and Philly and made them contenders.

[Whatupdoe44]

At one point Philadelphia had 3 #1 overall draft picks on the roster at the same time ( Iverson, Webber, Derrick Coleman).

lmao @ saying webber was good when with philly, same with derrick coleman, how old was he with iverson...97???

Webber was on one leg his whole stint in philly

[Senser81]

At one point Philadelphia had 3 #1 overall draft picks on the roster at the same time ( Iverson, Webber, Derrick Coleman).

Sorry, I have to pile on here due to the sheer idiocy of your comment. LOL at including Iverson among the #1 overall picks...so, did Iverson play with Iverson? Should we say that Michael Jordan should have accomplished more while on the 1985-86 Bulls because the team had Orlando Woolridge, Dave Corzine...AND MICHAEL JORDAN??!!

Your post makes Whitlock's article appear 'intellectual'.

You suck.

[Kuzzy Powers]

He wasnt put into a fizzling situation. The team was absolutely fine before the trade. Some of this is Iverson's ego, the other half is the fact that his style really did not fit with the Pistons, and he didnt care to try to make it work. Which lead to the ego problems.

Im sure theres no bias in thinking it wasnt a fizzling situation post-trade. The team was completely different pre-trade. Anytime you make a move like that, theres some serious changes being made in the organization. Players are getting old, declining, contracts are needing to come off the books, and its time for Detroit to go forward with some of their younger guys. AI cant help Michael Curry learn how to coach, and its impossible to say if the team was "fine" pre-trade because it was made like 5 games into the season, cant really get a feel for the team in 5 games.

[Bear Pand]

Jason Whitlock is one of the worst writers in america, he is right there behind jamele hill. All he talks about is race, and to me that is freakin retarded.

This. Whitlock is a fucking idiot. Somehow he managed to bring up race and hip hop music AGAIN when it has absolutely 0 to do with this situation.

As for Iverson, Chris Webber said it best:

“Allen Iverson needs five robots to play with him,” said Detroit native Webber, noting the Sixers’ run to the 2001 NBA Finals happened when Iverson “had five guys who couldn’t score — Aaron McKie, (Dikembe) Mutombo, (Eric) Snow (are) all defensive players.”

Iverson is a great player but you ask this dude to do something like accept a role and his ego won't allow it. No matter how you slice it up, or who is to blame, he acted bitchmade in Detroit and theres a reason he's about to be on his fourth team. Iverson needs to be in a situation where he can just do his thing while everyone stands around and watches, ask him to play team ball and everything falls apart.

[Kuzzy Powers]

You say it like playing on 4 teams in 13 seasons is even a knock... most of those coming with the Sixers. In todays NBA thats not even bad.

[Sportsbuck]

AI, the best quarterback to ever come out of Virginia.

[Herm]

Sorry, I have to pile on here due to the sheer idiocy of your comment. LOL at including Iverson among the #1 overall picks...so, did Iverson play with Iverson? Should we say that Michael Jordan should have accomplished more while on the 1985-86 Bulls because the team had Orlando Woolridge, Dave Corzine...AND MICHAEL JORDAN??!!

Your post makes Whitlock's article appear 'intellectual'.

You suck.

You're a clown Senser, Iverson played with two other players who were considered the best player coming out of college the years they came into the NBA.

Orlando Woolridge and and Dave Corzine werent number 1 picks so your counter argument is terrible. Go find someone like MrBill to try to flame with your tirades.

[Herm]

Give me a break. Emty stats? He's won an MVP award, 4 scoring titles and carried a team of bums to the NBA Finals on his back. Year in and year out he took a lottery team and Philly and made them contenders.

My thing about empty stats was besides the finals year, he usually got his assload of points and the team had nothing to show for it.

As for Iverson, Chris Webber said it best:



Iverson is a great player but you ask this dude to do something like accept a role and his ego won't allow it. No matter how you slice it up, or who is to blame, he acted bitchmade in Detroit and theres a reason he's about to be on his fourth team. Iverson needs to be in a situation where he can just do his thing while everyone stands around and watches, ask him to play team ball and everything falls apart.

that just happened

[Senser81]

You're a clown Senser, Iverson played with two other players who were considered the best player coming out of college the years they came into the NBA.

Orlando Woolridge and and Dave Corzine werent number 1 picks so your counter argument is terrible. Go find someone like MrBill to try to flame with your tirades.

Hey shit for brains, my point was that you included Iverson as one of the 3 #1 overall picks, and the discussion was about Iverson's supporting cast. So, should we penalize Iverson for not accomplishing more with his team, because his team had 3 #1 overall picks on their roster...INCLUDING IVERSON?

I thought that was made perfectly clear in my original posting...the statement "LOL at including Iverson among the #1 overall picks...so, did Iverson play with Iverson?" is unambiguous. There is no other possible way to interpret my comment.

[FirstTimer]

You're a clown Senser, Iverson played with two other players who were considered the best player coming out of college the years they came into the NBA.

Nearly a decade earlier and when they were actually effective. You have no idea what you are talking about. Webber adn Coleman were marginal NBA players when AI had them. STFU with your stupid bullshit.