Lindy's Top 25

[JeremyHight]

Spiller split carries with James Davis, who is now gone. Pat White got a ton of rushing yards which ate at Devine's numbers. Murray's stat-line is actually MORE impressive. And last but not least all of them played in a conference with better defense top to bottom than the Pac 10.

The ACC was arguably tied with the Big Ten for weakest conference last season and did you just say that the Big XII had a defense? Hahahahahah.... HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Did you just sim all of last season on NCAA or did you actually watch the games?

[Obst]

Yeah Jock Sanders, he is the backup to Noel Devine. He is going into his Junior year and last year he averaged 5.2 YPC. I think he could do well if he got around 10 carries a game, but he is just as small as Noel, listed at 5-7 174 lbs. Jarret Brown is also gonna take carries away from Noel this year, he ran 36 times last year and wasn't even the starting QB.

[Obst]

The only thing I have against your All-Americans is where is Jordan Shipley? He had 89 catches, over 1000 yards and 11 touchdowns last year and has Colt McCoy coming back to throw him the ball. I just feel like he has a way better chance at putting up great numbers this year opposed to Julio Jones. I would even say Shipley could be first time right now, I don't buy into the Benn hype as much as everyone else. Benn has 5 touchdowns in two years and hasn't had a 70 catch season yet. I think it's too early to be saying he is the next best thing.

[Sven Draconian]

I saw plenty of Best. I'm a Pac 10 guy (Oregon fan), and I never said the Big 12 had defense, just that Murray's stat-line was as impressive as Best's. And the ACC and Big 10 may have been weak conferences, but they had more good defenses than the Pac 10 for sure.

How is that statline more imporessive? 15 fewer carries, 578 fewer yards. 1 fewer TD. Was he going to rush for 35 yards a carry those last 15 carries? Even then, it would EQUAL Best.

I've never seen either of them play, but GTFO with that arguement.

[Sportsbuck]

Top Quarterbacks

1. Tim Tebow, Florida
Anything less than a third title and second Heisman = disappointment?

2. Sam Bradford, Oklahoma
Two-time national leader in passing efficiency

3. Colt McCoy, Texas
Vince Young won 30 game; Colt McCoy is at 32 with a chance at 46

4. Zac Robinson, Oklahoma State
Has all the tools around him to be as prolific as any of the top Qbs

5. Jevan Snead, Ole Miss
Could end up as the best pro on the list

6. Todd Reesing, Kansas
Has 13 300 yard passing games in the past two seasons

7. Max Hall, BYU
He's not big, but he's a cocksure leader who can rip through defenses

8. Dan LeFevour, Central Michigan
Nice pro prospect who will reach 10,000 yards early in the season

9. Jeremiah Masoli, Oregon
Dual threat came from nowhere last season, had a great spring

10. Terelle Pryor, Ohio State
Has to prove it; could be much higher (or lower) by end of the year

11. Juice Williams, Illinois
Led the Big Ten last year in total offense with 324.3 yards a game

12. Darryl Clark, Penn State
Can he be as productive without his all-senior receiver friends?

13. Robert Griffin, Baylor
Explosive speed, accuracy make him the perfect fit in Art Briles' offense

14. Case Keenum, Houston
Threw for 5,020 yards in 2008; should have more of the same in '09

15. Jack Locker, Washington
Can Steve Sarkisian turn him into "Tebow Northwest" as advertised?

16. Colin Kaepernick, Nevada
2008: Had a 397 yard passing game and a 240 yard rushing game

17. Tony Pike, Cincinnati
6-6 senior came on strong in the second half of last season

18. Matt Grothe, USF
Has thrown for more than 8,000 yards, rushed for more than 2,000

19. Russell Wilson, NC State
First team All-ACC as a frosh; only one INT in 275 passing attempts

20. Riley Skinner, Wake Forest
Fourth year starter helped Wake to 28 victories in past three seasons

21. Kellen Moore, Boise State
WAC Freshman of Year completed nearly 70 percent of his passes

22. Tim Hiller, Western Michigan
Enters season projected as a mid-round NFL Draft pick

23. Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame
Has deep threats and veteran line... will breakout year be next?

24. Trevor Vittatoe, UTEP
Already up to 58 career TD passes, with only 16 interceptions

25. Aaron Corp, USC
Never even started, but it ain't easy just winning the Trojans' QB job

Right now, Terrelle Pryor over Darryl Clark, Russell Wilson, & Robert Griffin is just wrong.

[Sportsbuck]

I saw plenty of Best. I'm a Pac 10 guy (Oregon fan), and I never said the Big 12 had defense, just that Murray's stat-line was as impressive as Best's. And the ACC and Big 10 may have been weak conferences, but they had more good defenses than the Pac 10 for sure.

Jahvid Best averaged 8.1 YPC, and Murray averaged 5.6.

How does that make it as impressive as Best?

Not to mention Best could've cracked the 2000 yard mark had the Bears not ran Shane Vereen for 715 yards.

[Sportsbuck]

Look at the opponents there. Over 500 of those yards came against UW and Stanford, 200 more against WSU. Total draft picks from those three defenses? I don't know, but I would say under 2 total. USC, the only good D in the Pac 10 shut him down. He didn't even get to 100 against Oregon...

Murray didn't even play in the last two games yet still had 3 more total TD's.

You do realize the same argument you used against Best works against Murray, right?

Best averaged over 6.0 ypc against two top 50 run defenses (And was at 5.8 against a 3rd in Oregon) while in games in which Murray averaged over 6.0 YPC he did not face a single top 50 run defense.

[Obst]

You say USC shut Best down, look what Texas did to Murray

[Sven Draconian]

Show me where Murray put up 700 of his yards in three games the way Best did.

So your arguement is that since Best dropped 311 on Washington whle Murray only managed 100...Murray is better?

Murray only had 5 100-yard games.
Best had 8 (including 3 games with over 200 yards).

Best had 8 games over 6.0 yards per carry.
Murray only had 5.

Murray had 3 games under 4.0 yards per carry.
Best had only 2 games under 4.0 yards per carry.

(PS. Murray's best game was against Chattanooga.)

[Sven Draconian]

Spiller split carries with James Davis, who is now gone. Pat White got a ton of rushing yards which ate at Devine's numbers. Murray's stat-line is actually MORE impressive. And last but not least all of them played in a conference with better defense top to bottom than the Pac 10.

How is that statline more imporessive? 15 fewer carries, 578 fewer yards. 1 fewer TD. Was he going to rush for 35 yards a carry those last 15 carries? Even then, it would EQUAL Best.

I've never seen either of them play, but GTFO with that arguement.

Look at the opponents there. Over 500 of those yards came against UW and Stanford, 200 more against WSU. Total draft picks from those three defenses? I don't know, but I would say under 2 total. USC, the only good D in the Pac 10 shut him down. He didn't even get to 100 against Oregon...

Murray didn't even play in the last two games yet still had 3 more total TD's.

You guys are right. Jahvid is #1!!!

Don't be a bitch. How is Murray's statline more impressive than Best's?