Falcons release Vick

[Kuzzy Powers]

Brian Finneran ftw.

[j.hen]

Brian Finneran ftw.

I guess Brian Finneran and Peerless Price >>>> Terrell Owens/Jerry Rice and Cris Carter/Randy Moss

According to Firsttimer anyway.

[Kuzzy Powers]

I guess Brian Finneran and Peerless Price >>>> Terrell Owens/Jerry Rice and Cris Carter/Randy Moss

According to Firsttimer anyway.

Never had an argument with FT I take it? He could be wrong till hes blue in the face and still supporting his point.

[FirstTimer]

He said "Price is the best WR Vick got to play with"

You replied with Joe Horn. They never played together. End of story.

The entire context of the point is that the Falcons weren't doing anything to help Vick at the WR position. They were. Price, spending two 1st Rd picks on White and Jenkins, bringing in Horn, before Vick fucked up.


The Falcons made moves to help Vick in the passing game. He just blew them all up.

Name one good QB in NFL history who did not have a single offensive weapon.

Ha!

Vick had one of the best rushing attacks in football during his tenure there. Plus Atlanta bringing in guys like Price, and two first Rd draft pick WR's who has soon as Vick leaves each have career years.

Also, ever think the reason teams blitzed Vick so much was the fact that they were not worried about losing a guy in coverage because the receivers SUCKED? Hmmm....

No. Because as soon as you subtract Vick his WR's no longer suck.

White had Joey Harrington, Byron Leftwich, and Chris Redman throwing him the ball the first season he went over 1,000 yards. Pretty sure White had finally elevated his game and adjusted to the speed of the NFL by then.

Or he had guys who could actually throw him the ball.

Plus Jenkins has had his two best seasons since Vick left.

Michael Jenkins sucked dick every season up until this year when he realized he was playing for his job. Jenkins stepped up huge this past year and no one in Atlanta saw it coming.

Jenkins stats the last two seasons are pretty close. Vick leaves and Jenkins somewhat blossoms...

lol @ the Joe Horn fail. And I'm curious how much further the list really does go on? Vick had Crumpler, made him look pretty good. So who else then? Brian Finneran?

Well Vick only had 6 seasons, he could only ruin so many WR's. The guy isn't superman.

And see above for the Horn point.

[j.hen]

Never had an argument with FT I take it? He could be wrong till hes blue in the face and still supporting his point.

I was hoping for a good argument from him considering I noticed he has 2 NFL Talk awards. Guess they just give those things out to any body after hearing all these completely bias posts from him. Its now gotten to the point where I cant tell if hes truly a dumbass or if hes just fucking with me and sayin shit he knows is dumb.

[FirstTimer]

I guess Brian Finneran and Peerless Price >>>> Terrell Owens/Jerry Rice and Cris Carter/Randy Moss

According to Firsttimer anyway.

Uhh what?

Never said that. And who were Cunninghams WR's when he was lighting people up in Philly in the late 80's?

Keith Jackson, Keith Byers, Fred Barnett, and a young Cris Carter...who was averaging about 700 yds a season?

[FirstTimer]

sayin shit he knows is dumb.

Says the guy who says that he would still take Vick of LaDanian Tomlinson....even with the benefit of hindsight.

[j.hen]

The entire context of the point is that the Falcons weren't doing anything to help Vick at the WR position. They were. Price, spending two 1st Rd picks on White and Jenkins, bringing in Horn, before Vick fucked up.


The Falcons made moves to help Vick in the passing game. He just blew them all up.

I wouldnt say he blew them all, if Roddy White would of stepped up in his rookie year like he has the past two seasons things would of been different, if Peerless Price didnt jog his routes and drop easy deep ball catches things would of been different etc. etc.

Vick had one of the best rushing attacks in football during his tenure there. Plus Atlanta bringing in guys like Price, and two first Rd draft pick WR's who has soon as Vick leaves each have career years.

Vick had "the best rushing attack in football" because his rushing stats were part of the attack in the first place.

Or he had guys who could actually throw him the ball.

Plus Jenkins has had his two best seasons since Vick left.

Thats debatable, He had a career high in TD catches with Vick. Not to mention he didnt become a starter till 2006 anyways.

Jenkins stats the last two seasons are pretty close. Vick leaves and Jenkins somewhat blossoms...

Somewhat being a very key word. To me a 1,000+ season is blossoming

[Kuzzy Powers]

Lol @ you trying to spin it in your favour.

To further add to the point of Vick's mediocre WRs.. by the time Horn had got to Atlanta he was widely considered as washed up and far, far, FAR past his prime.. to the point of being released by the the Saints. Furthermore.. he was having hamstring issues and played a combined 23 games in his last 2 years in New Orleans. His numbers: 49 Rec, 654 Yards, 37 Rec, 679 Yards.. you combine those 2 together and they pretty much equal what you'd normally expect from Joe Horn.

So lol @ you being wrong about Horn and Vick playing together.. then lol @ you for trying to flip it like the Falcons were bringing in Horn to help Vick, when in reality they were just grasping at the strings of a vet who they were hoping would be a shell of his former self, which he wasnt even close to being.

[DSpydr84]

You know what other receiver sucked his rookie season? Jerry Rice.

[FirstTimer]

I wouldnt say he blew them all, if Roddy White would of stepped up in his rookie year like he has the past two seasons things would of been different, if Peerless Price didnt jog his routes and drop easy deep ball catches things would of been different etc. etc.

I wouldn't run hard if I was Price either. Vick rarely saw him.

Vick had "the best rushing attack in football" because his rushing stats were part of the attack in the first place.

Incorrect. Even with Vick out guys like Dunn, Duckett etc still averaged the same amount of yards. Dunn actualyl improved his average.

Plus the Falcons had a good offensive line.

Thats debatable, He had a career high in TD catches with Vick. Not to mention he didnt become a starter till 2006 anyways.

Jenkins last two seasons have been the best of his career. When taken all around.

Somewhat being a very key word. To me a 1,000+ season is blossoming

Well yeah. Which is why I said "somewhat".

[j.hen]

Says the guy who says that he would still take Vick of LaDanian Tomlinson....even with the benefit of hindsight.

I can say I'd take Vick over LT in that draft because Vick was what the Falcons needed, he provided a face for the team and made the Falcons exciting to watch. The Vick time line is well worth the 6 years imo so I can honestly say I'd take Vick over LT in that draft.

Getting Vick inevitably led to the Falcon team of today, where the team has a complete offense with every piece of the puzzle needed to win on the offensive side of the ball.

The bottom line with all this for me is that Vick made the Falcons exciting and the time he spent in ATL up until Matt Ryan took over was something I enjoyed seeing. Matt Ryan makes the Falcons relevant though, something Vick could not do consistently enough.

[j.hen]

I wouldn't run hard if I was Price either. Vick rarely saw him.

You've obviously never played football outside of the backyard.

Incorrect. Even with Vick out guys like Dunn, Duckett etc still averaged the same amount of yards. Dunn actualyl improved his average.

Dunn improved because the offensive line improved

Plus the Falcons had a good offensive line.

lol

[FirstTimer]

Lol @ you trying to spin it in your favour.

then lol @ you for trying to flip it like the Falcons were bringing in Horn to help Vick, when in reality they were just grasping at the strings of a vet who they were hoping would be a shell of his former self, which he wasnt even close to being.

Spin it in my favor?

What?

The context of Peerless Price was obvious. What the hell are you talking about? The context of bringing Price in was that The Falcons never brought guys in for Vick. They did. Horn was one of them. Unless they brought him in for Harrington knowing that Vick was running a dog fighting ring.....?

So they brought Horn in to hurt Vick? What other reason would they have to bring Horn in? To teach Roddy White TD's celebrations?

[Kuzzy Powers]

Spin it in my favor?

What?

The context of Peerless Price was obvious. What the hell are you talking about? The context of bringing Price in was that The Falcons never brought guys in for Vick. They did. Horn was one of them. Unless they brought him in for Harrington knowing that Vick was running a dog fighting ring.....?

So they brought Horn in to hurt Vick? What other reason would they have to bring Horn in? To teach Roddy White TD's celebrations?

Yes, you're trying to spin it like you werent wrong from the beginning. But you were. You do this constantly. You're a clever little fucker, but a wrong clever little fucker.

They brought in Horn bcus it was low risk and they were hoping he MIGHT be a shell of his former self. If you consider a washed up Horn a real attempt at "help" for Vick then you're either delusional or stupid.