Falcons release Vick

[FirstTimer]

Young and Cunningham werent running for their lives every play. Not to mention they had top tier receivers getting open for them both. (Jerry Rice, Cris Carter, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens)

Ok...

First off-The Falcons offensive line was fine for Vick. They weren't bad. In fact when Vick was hurt and a guy like Schaub played he was sacked at a lower rate than Vick. Vick ran himself into sacks. Vick was running around for his life because he had no pocket awareness and couldn't read a defense to save his life.

2. Whenever Atlanta did bring in a WR to be the guy he tailed off because Vick has the accuracy of a haywire tennis ball cannon. Vick leaves, and Roddy White turns into a Pro Bowler. Coincidence? Ha! Please.

[j.hen]

Because if you stopped Vick, you stopped the Falcons because Vick was unable to get his teammates involved (look at Roddy White...bust with Vick, star with Ryan). He couldn't pass. Half the time he wouldn't even attempt a pass, he'd just dance around and get sacked. The entire goal of the opposing defense was to force Vick to pass. Your argument is like the opposite of logic. The defense wants Vick to pass the football, thus Vick is an elite QB. Do you think Vick is the only QB in the NFL whom defensive coordinators 'gameplanned against'? Sheesh.

Most receivers dont adjust to the game right away, Vick got White right away and he dropped more passes then I have ever seen. He started to get his swagger going Vick's last season in Atlanta and by the time Matt Ryan stepped in White had already had a 1,000+ yard season.

And obviously other teams were game planning against Vick's ability to scramble. No shit other players get game planned for but when Vick was playing he was considered one of the most dangerous weapons in football.

Some of this Vick-Hate going on right now is pretty impressive.

[FirstTimer]

So teams didnt spend extra time game planning exclusively for Vick?

All you have is anecdotal BS. Vick is a disgrace. Vick was an average QB at best, and only because of his running ability. The Falcons would probably have been better off not having Vick as their 'franchise QB'.

Hey guys. We have Vick this weekend.

Let him throw.

Ok, next meeting.

Every defense spends time gameplanning for the other teams QB. Every single game, every single QB.

Vick wasn't special.

[DSpydr84]

Because if you stopped Vick, you stopped the Falcons because Vick was unable to get his teammates involved (look at Roddy White...bust with Vick, star with Ryan). He couldn't pass. Half the time he wouldn't even attempt a pass, he'd just dance around and get sacked. The entire goal of the opposing defense was to force Vick to pass. Your argument is like the opposite of logic. The defense wants Vick to pass the football, thus Vick is an elite QB. Do you think Vick is the only QB in the NFL whom defensive coordinators 'gameplanned against'? Sheesh.

Roddy White was a rookie with Vick, just for starters.

The point is, you know the guy had 6 or 7 guys coming after him every play to get him to the ground. And you know Brian Finneran and Michael Jenkins were not getting open down field. It's very hard under those conditions to have a consistent game at the quarterback position. In fact, I would bet that very few guys could survive in those conditions and be considered "good quarterbacks".

If your first option is covered, and the blitz is in your face, you go make a play. That's what Vick did.

[j.hen]

Ok...

First off-The Falcons offensive line was fine for Vick. They weren't bad. In fact when Vick was hurt and a guy like Schaub played he was sacked at a lower rate than Vick. Vick ran himself into sacks. Vick was running around for his life because he had no pocket awareness and couldn't read a defense to save his life.

2. Whenever Atlanta did bring in a WR to be the guy he tailed off because Vick has the accuracy of a haywire tennis ball cannon. Vick leaves, and Roddy White turns into a Pro Bowler. Coincidence? Ha! Please.

1. Vick ran because he was great at it. Quit trying to treat Vick like a prototypical passing QB because he wasnt. If you're going into a Vick debate with the mentality that all QBs should play the same then you're obviously going to be bias against Vick.

2. Peerless Price was the biggest name WR to ever play with Vick while he was in ATL.

[FirstTimer]

Because if you stopped Vick, you stopped the Falcons because Vick was unable to get his teammates involved (look at Roddy White...bust with Vick, star with Ryan). He couldn't pass. Half the time he wouldn't even attempt a pass, he'd just dance around and get sacked. The entire goal of the opposing defense was to force Vick to pass. Your argument is like the opposite of logic. The defense wants Vick to pass the football, thus Vick is an elite QB. Do you think Vick is the only QB in the NFL whom defensive coordinators 'gameplanned against'? Sheesh.

Senser.

In your opinion, who were the best scarmbling QB's ever?

[j.hen]

Hey guys. We have Vick this weekend.

Let him throw.

Ok, next meeting.

Every defense spends time gameplanning for the other teams QB. Every single game, every single QB.

Vick wasn't special.

Are you serious?

Teams would put their fastest player on the scout team as Vick and would specifically gameplan for Vick's running ability. You can be a completely bias jackass and still admit that.

What you're saying teams did is just an over used joke, "Yeah Vick couldnt throw so lets make him throw lulz." Funny stuff.

[Kuzzy Powers]

Hey guys. We have Vick this weekend.

Let him throw.

Ok, next meeting.

Every defense spends time gameplanning for the other teams QB. Every single game, every single QB.

Vick wasn't special.

LOL come on. Vick caused fits for opposing defensive coordinators. If you dont think they were spending a shit ton every week on how to force him to throw and what to do when he does break free, you gotta be crazy.

[FirstTimer]

Most receivers dont adjust to the game right away, Vick got White right away and he dropped more passes then I have ever seen. He started to get his swagger going Vick's last season in Atlanta and by the time Matt Ryan stepped in White had already had a 1,000+ yard season.

White had 1,000 yards because he had QB's who could throw.

Look at Michael Jenkins. Best year of his career with Ryan.

With Vick....meh.

Roddy White was a rookie with Vick, just for starters.

Actually for starters Roddy played two seasons with Vick.

The point is, you know the guy had 6 or 7 guys coming after him every play to get him to the ground.

How is that different from any other QB?

Also ever think the reason teams blitzed Vick so much was the fact that they were not worried about losing a guy in coverage because he couldn't throw? Hmmm....

and Michael Jenkins were not getting open down field.

1. Vick wasn't looking and

2. Jenkins gets open downfield now. Ask the Bears.

1. Vick ran because he was great at it. Quit trying to treat Vick like a prototypical passing QB because he wasnt. If you're going into a Vick debate with the mentality that all QBs should play the same then you're obviously going to be bias against Vick.

Yeah because me bringing up Cunningham and Young show that I love the "prototypical QB"

2. Peerless Price was the biggest name WR to ever play with Vick while he was in ATL.

And he fizzled because Vick couldn't throw.

And Joe Horn

And Jenkins

And White

The list goes on.

Not to mention Roddy White became a big name as soon as Vick left.

[FirstTimer]

Are you serious?

Teams would put their fastest player on the scout team as Vick and would specifically gameplan for Vick's running ability. You can be a completely bias jackass and still admit that.

What you're saying teams did is just an over used joke, "Yeah Vick couldnt throw so lets make him throw lulz." Funny stuff.

LOL come on. Vick caused fits for opposing defensive coordinators. If you dont think they were spending a shit ton every week on how to force him to throw and what to do when he does break free, you gotta be crazy.

It wasn't hard. Throw in tape of Vick vs the Bears or Bucs. They shut him down all the time. There's your plan. Replicaete it the best you can with the personnel you have.

[Kuzzy Powers]

LOL @ mentioning Joe Horn. Vick wasnt even playing the year Joe Horn got to ATL.

Im not really trying to support Vick as a passer.. but hes definitely had a mediocre receiving crew his whole career.

[FirstTimer]

LOL @ mentioning Joe Horn. Vick wasnt even playing the year Joe Horn got to ATL.

Horn was signed to help Vick out. That was my point. IIRC Horn was signed before the shit went down around the draft.

EDIT Horn signed in March of 2007.

Vick got busted in mid-late April.

[Kuzzy Powers]

Horn was signed to help Vick out. That was my point. IIRC Horn was signed before the shit went down around the draft.

EDIT Horn signed in March of 2007.

Vick got busted in mid-late April.

He said "Price is the best WR Vick got to play with"

You replied with Joe Horn. They never played together. End of story.

[DSpydr84]

How is that different from any other QB?

Also ever think the reason teams blitzed Vick so much was the fact that they were not worried about losing a guy in coverage because he couldn't throw? Hmmm....

Name one good QB in NFL history who did not have a single offensive weapon. I got Dan Marino and 2001-2002 Tom Brady (two of the best players the NFL has ever seen) and that's it. And even them two had more talent than Finneran and Price.

Also, ever think the reason teams blitzed Vick so much was the fact that they were not worried about losing a guy in coverage because the receivers SUCKED? Hmmm....

[j.hen]

White had 1,000 yards because he had QB's who could throw.

White had Joey Harrington, Byron Leftwich, and Chris Redman throwing him the ball the first season he went over 1,000 yards. Pretty sure White had finally elevated his game and adjusted to the speed of the NFL by then.

Look at Michael Jenkins. Best year of his career with Ryan.

With Vick....meh.

Michael Jenkins sucked dick every season up until this year when he realized he was playing for his job. Jenkins stepped up huge this past year and no one in Atlanta saw it coming. Laurent Robinson was the #2 guy up until his injury in the pre season and Jenkins promptly stepped up.

Actually for starters Roddy played two seasons with Vick.

Yeah, his first two years when he was still dropping easy catches and getting punked every play.

And he fizzled because Vick couldn't throw.

And Joe Horn

And Jenkins

And White

The list goes on.

Not to mention Roddy White became a big name as soon as Vick left.

lol @ the Joe Horn fail. And I'm curious how much further the list really does go on? Vick had Crumpler, made him look pretty good. So who else then? Brian Finneran?