Jacobs: Romo Isn't That Good

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Some serious stupidity going on here.

1. Since when is anyone outside of the top 5 "not that good" ??

2. There is no fucking luck at the QB position. Maybe a game or a play but you dont luck your way to three seasons of elite level play no matter how you slice it.

3. Romo is a top tier franchise QB. Its not up for debate. The team before him and in bouts without him have been abysmal. Few teams hinge there success on an arm as much as Dallas does. Not winning playoff games means he's not in the Manning /Brady class. You dont drop from Elite to "not that good" from a playoff loss.

Brees , McNabb , Eli dont belong in the convo. Brees is a proven loser. McNabb is a streaky QB. The guy is shitbad has ridiculous bouts of inaccuracy but when hes hot hes hot. Eli Manning made some serious clutch throws in a SB run and has improved. But youd be a lunatic to look at the last 3 years and say he's clearly better than Romo. All these QBs have glaring problems and flaws , yet
all these guys + Romo are good QB's debating that is silly.

Brady/Manning---

Big Ben /Warner ---

Romo, Rivers , Mcnabb , Manning ,Brees

Only elite QBs in the league right now. Some young guys may pop up others may drop but as of right now Romo is elite and "Good" regardless of the hatred for the ESPN hype machine.

[Archer]

Some serious stupidity going on here.

1. Since when is anyone outside of the top 5 "not that good" ??

2. There is no fucking luck at the QB position. Maybe a game or a play but you dont luck your way to three seasons of elite level play no matter how you slice it.

3. Romo is a top tier franchise QB. Its not up for debate. The team before him and in bouts without him have been abysmal. Few teams hinge there success on an arm as much as Dallas does. Not winning playoff games means he's not in the Manning /Brady class. You dont drop from Elite to "not that good" from a playoff loss.

Brees , McNabb , Eli dont belong in the convo. Brees is a proven loser. McNabb is a streaky QB. The guy is shitbad has ridiculous bouts of inaccuracy but when hes hot hes hot. Eli Manning made some serious clutch throws in a SB run and has improved. But youd be a lunatic to look at the last 3 years and say he's clearly better than Romo. All these QBs have glaring problems and flaws , yet
all these guys + Romo are good QB's debating that is silly.

Brady/Manning---

Big Ben /Warner ---

Romo, Rivers , Mcnabb , Manning ,Brees

Only elite QBs in the league right now. Some young guys may pop up others may drop but as of right now Romo is elite and "Good" regardless of the hatred for the ESPN hype machine.

Completly agree with all of this . I would actually have Rivers starting to come into the Ben/Warner area behind Manning and Brady but that may be because hes impressed me redicolously in games where hes beaten my Colts

I see him as a complete winner and in 2-3 years of starting has become the leader of the team and a good one at that

[Archer]

This is for Chadman . Heres some situational Drew Brees stats in the regular season in the last 4 years

2007 - Drew Brees
4th Quarter within 7 Stats - 76.8 P.R 5/7 INT
Those are his worst stats of any time or quarter in his games

2008 - Drew Brees
Behind 1-8 Points - 71.5 P.R 3/5 TD INT Ratio
Worst stats of any time or situation in his games
4th Quarter Withing 7 Stats - 91.9 9/6 TD/INT
Pretty decent you would say right? His 2nd worst situation quarter stats

Right now lets compare his situtional stats to Rivers over the last 2 seasons since you wanted to compare them and asked where I was getting info from

2008 - Phillip Rivers
Behind 1-8 Points - 109.5 P.R 10/4 TD/INT
4th Quarter within 7 - 104/1 P.R 13/3 TD/INT

Granted Rivers 2007 stats are about equal to Drew`s 2007 stats . 2007 was only his 2nd season starting in the NFL unlike Drew`s 6th season at starting

This can all be found on the players NFL.COM stats if you dont beleive me

I know how much you LOVE stats so there you go

[bucky]

3. Romo is a top tier franchise QB. Its not up for debate. Not winning playoff games means he's not in the Manning /Brady class. You dont drop from Elite to "not that good" from a playoff loss.

all these guys + Romo are good QB's debating that is silly.

I would go with good QB, with potential to be great, having started for only (I think) 3 seasons.

Brady/Manning---

Big Ben /Warner ---

Romo, Rivers , Mcnabb , Manning ,Brees

Only elite QBs in the league right now. Some young guys may pop up others may drop but as of right now Romo is elite and "Good" regardless of the hatred for the ESPN hype machine.

So which guys are your Elite list? All of the above, or just the top two?

Dude, Romo's a good QB, but not elite. He's only been starting for what, 3 years? so I would say he still has the potential to become elite.....

But....He fades at the end of seasons and (so far) can't win clutch games. He's still young in regards to years of starting, so there is still potential for Romo. But he is not in the Elite convo yet.

[RosettaStoned]

Completly agree with all of this . I would actually have Rivers starting to come into the Ben/Warner area behind Manning and Brady but that may be because hes impressed me redicolously in games where hes beaten my Colts

I see him as a complete winner and in 2-3 years of starting has become the leader of the team and a good one at that

Rivers comes after Ben and Warner.

[bucky]

Rivers comes after Ben and Warner.

Where is Archie Manning?

[Archer]

Rivers comes after Ben and Warner.

I agree he comes after them but In my mind hes making it a 2-3 thing

Like Manning and Brady out infront

Then probably Ben and Warner with Rivers behind as the 5th

Thats what I think anyways

Then you have a pack of guys like , Romo , McNabb , Brees , E.Manning and so behind

[steeljake]

I agree he comes after them but In my mind hes making it a 2-3 thing

Like Manning and Brady out infront

Then probably Ben and Warner with Rivers behind as the 5th

Thats what I think anyways

Then you have a pack of guys like , Romo , McNabb , Brees , E.Manning and so behind

i have brees ahead of rivers personally, but those two are 5 and 5-a.

[Chadman]

You're too hung up on the numbers kid. The Saints play against better offensive teams than the Chargers do. I mean unless you think it's tougher to keep the Raiders out of the endzone than the Falcons. I'm pretty sure the Chargers only played one offense ranked in the top 22, and it was the Broncos.



Bullshit. The saints defense is every bit as good "personel" wise when the chargers are without Merrian. Their secondary is overrated.



Again, he plays against better competition too.




Did I say anything near that? You make the most horrendous fucking arguments. I said he was more consistent, and he is.



And? This past year the running game was off, the offensive line has been terrible for two seasons. Playing the best defenses in the league he still led his team to the superbowl. Not to mention you think Santonio Holmes isn't a top 15 WR, so he had few weapons offensively. Yet still made big plays all year to win games, including the playoffs, and the superbowl.




He has a better offense, considering you think Holmes isn't a top 15 WR. Numbers don't show that a qb is a leader btw. Numbers have shit to do with being a leader. A leader wins you games. Brees loses close games time and time again.



And... the Steelers have two superbowls in 4 years. That offense must be doing something right. It's not the line. It's not the WR core. The running game sucked last year. What was it?

Your arguments are hilariously ignorant.

The saints defense didnt face better offenses...its the other way around.
Legit offenses the saints defense faced....
redskins, broncos, carolina, chargers, falcons, packers, atl, carolina
Chargers faced....
panthers, broncos, jets, miami, pats, saints, colts, falcons, broncos

Are you serious? You just said the chargers minus merriman dont have better personel than the saints? Wow. Im going to just start throwing some names out...i mean jason david, scott fujita, vilma, roman harper, scott shanle, kevin kashivarn, will smith are bettter than shaun phillips, quentin jammer, stephen cooper, cason, jamal williams, louis castillo, and cromartie? lol...wow. Saints defense is better on paper than the chargers defense on paper.

Thats your favorite and only argument just about every time. Stick to making funnys in the locker room. please.

Big ben is more consistent than Drew Brees? Are you serious? Dude stop being a homer for once and open up your eyes.

You keep saying this shit...better defenses. I mean come on the bengals and browns twice a year? lol. You act like the afc way better than the nfc. This isnt a few years again. Stop making it seem like its the east vs the west in basketball where everyone knows that the east is shit compared to the west.

lol dude. You make it seem like big ben is MUCH better in the clutch.
In the 4th quarter this year...big ben has 4 tds, 5 ints, 61%, and 74.7 qb rating.
Brees has 10 tds, 6 ints, 63%, and a 95.3 rating. Yeah...hes much better.

Lol thats simple...the number 1 defense in just about every category. lmao.

I'm not basing it off of "choking", I'm basing it off of who I believe is a better overall quarterback. I might take back Drew Brees but Donovan Mcnabb is a better quarterback then Tony Romo. FACT

Mr ground ball himself. I dont think so. I live in philly and I watch about 70% of the eagles and mcnabbs games. Mcnabb is elite, its no arguing that but he isnt consistent and makes alot of bonehead plays. And his inaccuracy is something that can be sicknening at times. Again with entire skillset in mind, meaning everything he can do as a qb, I would put brees>mcnabb.

This is for Chadman . Heres some situational Drew Brees stats in the regular season in the last 4 years

2007 - Drew Brees
4th Quarter within 7 Stats - 76.8 P.R 5/7 INT
Those are his worst stats of any time or quarter in his games

2008 - Drew Brees
Behind 1-8 Points - 71.5 P.R 3/5 TD INT Ratio
Worst stats of any time or situation in his games
4th Quarter Withing 7 Stats - 91.9 9/6 TD/INT
Pretty decent you would say right? His 2nd worst situation quarter stats

Right now lets compare his situtional stats to Rivers over the last 2 seasons since you wanted to compare them and asked where I was getting info from

2008 - Phillip Rivers
Behind 1-8 Points - 109.5 P.R 10/4 TD/INT
4th Quarter within 7 - 104/1 P.R 13/3 TD/INT

Granted Rivers 2007 stats are about equal to Drew`s 2007 stats . 2007 was only his 2nd season starting in the NFL unlike Drew`s 6th season at starting

This can all be found on the players NFL.COM stats if you dont beleive me

I know how much you LOVE stats so there you go

Im not much a stat guy. In fact i hate bringing up..I dont know I why i've been doing it as of late. Its my opinion though. Ive watched enough of both and i find brees more impressive. Brees can make every throw, and is the most accurate qb in the league if not top 3. He controls his offense. Hes a surgeon on the field as he carves up defenses with precision. His ball placement is tremendous and gets the ball out quickly. Rivers on the other hand is accurate as well. Hes not more accurate than brees as alot of his balls are high. His ball placement isnt always great. He throws alot of jump balls and high balls to his tall wideouts. That can only be seen by watching games. He is more clutch than brees...i give him that. How many games have you watch brees play in comparison to rivers?
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i have breesahead of rivers personally, but those two are 5 and 5-a.

exactly. Brees has been doing this for a while. Where was everyone when rivers threw 21tds and 15 ints, while brees had 28 tds 18 ints and 67.5%.

[Champ]

I apperciate you putting soo much effort into that post Kwon but I didnt read it at all.

[RosettaStoned]

The saints defense didnt face better offenses...its the other way around.
Legit offenses the saints defense faced....
redskins, broncos, carolina, chargers, falcons, packers, atl, carolina
Chargers faced....
panthers, broncos, jets, miami, pats, saints, colts, falcons, broncos

Are you serious? You just said the chargers minus merriman dont have better personel than the saints? Wow. Im going to just start throwing some names out...i mean jason david, scott fujita, vilma, roman harper, scott shanle, kevin kashivarn, will smith are bettter than shaun phillips, quentin jammer, stephen cooper, cason, jamal williams, louis castillo, and cromartie? lol...wow. Saints defense is better on paper than the chargers defense on paper.

Thats your favorite and only argument just about every time. Stick to making funnys in the locker room. please.

Big ben is more consistent than Drew Brees? Are you serious? Dude stop being a homer for once and open up your eyes.

You keep saying this shit...better defenses. I mean come on the bengals and browns twice a year? lol. You act like the afc way better than the nfc. This isnt a few years again. Stop making it seem like its the east vs the west in basketball where everyone knows that the east is shit compared to the west.

lol dude. You make it seem like big ben is MUCH better in the clutch.
In the 4th quarter this year...big ben has 4 tds, 5 ints, 61%, and 74.7 qb rating.
Brees has 10 tds, 6 ints, 63%, and a 95.3 rating. Yeah...hes much better.

Lol thats simple...the number 1 defense in just about every category. lmao.

Mr ground ball himself. I dont think so. I live in philly and I watch about 70% of the eagles and mcnabbs games. Mcnabb is elite, its no arguing that but he isnt consistent and makes alot of bonehead plays. And his inaccuracy is something that can be sicknening at times. Again with entire skillset in mind, meaning everything he can do as a qb, I would put brees>mcnabb.


Im not much a stat guy. In fact i hate bringing up..I dont know I why i've been doing it as of late. Its my opinion though. Ive watched enough of both and i find brees more impressive. Brees can make every throw, and is the most accurate qb in the league if not top 3. He controls his offense. Hes a surgeon on the field as he carves up defenses with precision. His ball placement is tremendous and gets the ball out quickly. Rivers on the other hand is accurate as well. Hes not more accurate than brees as alot of his balls are high. His ball placement isnt always great. He throws alot of jump balls and high balls to his tall wideouts. That can only be seen by watching games. He is more clutch than brees...i give him that. How many games have you watch brees play in comparison to rivers?
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exactly. Brees has been doing this for a while. Where was everyone when rivers threw 21tds and 15 ints, while brees had 28 tds 18 ints and 67.5%.

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[Bomberooski]

My list of QB's I'd take before Romo:

Brady
P Manning
Rivers
Cutler
Brees
M Ryan
A Rodgers
B Roethlisburger
K Warner
C Palmer

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

I would go with good QB, with potential to be great, having started for only (I think) 3 seasons.



So which guys are your Elite list? All of the above, or just the top two?

Dude, Romo's a good QB, but not elite. He's only been starting for what, 3 years? so I would say he still has the potential to become elite.....

But....He fades at the end of seasons and (so far) can't win clutch games. He's still young in regards to years of starting, so there is still potential for Romo. But he is not in the Elite convo yet.

I only say Elite because I have "HOF Level" as a class above. I couple that with that lack of truly great arms in the league.

But that said all the guys I mentioned can be hinged on to win games , you can build an offense or a franchise around them.

Others like Cutler are on the cups others like Palmer have dropped. They cant be counted on to win games the way these others can on a (relatively) consistent basis.

[Archer]

The saints defense didnt face better offenses...its the other way around.
Legit offenses the saints defense faced....
redskins, broncos, carolina, chargers, falcons, packers, atl, carolina
Chargers faced....
panthers, broncos, jets, miami, pats, saints, colts, falcons, broncos

Are you serious? You just said the chargers minus merriman dont have better personel than the saints? Wow. Im going to just start throwing some names out...i mean jason david, scott fujita, vilma, roman harper, scott shanle, kevin kashivarn, will smith are bettter than shaun phillips, quentin jammer, stephen cooper, cason, jamal williams, louis castillo, and cromartie? lol...wow. Saints defense is better on paper than the chargers defense on paper.

Thats your favorite and only argument just about every time. Stick to making funnys in the locker room. please.

Big ben is more consistent than Drew Brees? Are you serious? Dude stop being a homer for once and open up your eyes.

You keep saying this shit...better defenses. I mean come on the bengals and browns twice a year? lol. You act like the afc way better than the nfc. This isnt a few years again. Stop making it seem like its the east vs the west in basketball where everyone knows that the east is shit compared to the west.

lol dude. You make it seem like big ben is MUCH better in the clutch.
In the 4th quarter this year...big ben has 4 tds, 5 ints, 61%, and 74.7 qb rating.
Brees has 10 tds, 6 ints, 63%, and a 95.3 rating. Yeah...hes much better.

Lol thats simple...the number 1 defense in just about every category. lmao.

Mr ground ball himself. I dont think so. I live in philly and I watch about 70% of the eagles and mcnabbs games. Mcnabb is elite, its no arguing that but he isnt consistent and makes alot of bonehead plays. And his inaccuracy is something that can be sicknening at times. Again with entire skillset in mind, meaning everything he can do as a qb, I would put brees>mcnabb.


Im not much a stat guy. In fact i hate bringing up..I dont know I why i've been doing it as of late. Its my opinion though. Ive watched enough of both and i find brees more impressive. Brees can make every throw, and is the most accurate qb in the league if not top 3. He controls his offense. Hes a surgeon on the field as he carves up defenses with precision. His ball placement is tremendous and gets the ball out quickly. Rivers on the other hand is accurate as well. Hes not more accurate than brees as alot of his balls are high. His ball placement isnt always great. He throws alot of jump balls and high balls to his tall wideouts. That can only be seen by watching games. He is more clutch than brees...i give him that. How many games have you watch brees play in comparison to rivers?
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exactly. Brees has been doing this for a while. Where was everyone when rivers threw 21tds and 15 ints, while brees had 28 tds 18 ints and 67.5%.

I can respect your reasoning for this . Like I said im not calling Brees a bad qb , questionable in the clutch ? Sure . Bad ? No . I just think Rivers is in the top 5 and Brees isint , if not Rivers is damn close by now . I see a leader in Rivers that I dont in Drew , its almost like an extra quality that cant be measured . Im sure Brees can make more throws but like I said in my book Rivers is a winner . I may be the only person who thinks this ... I dont know . After seeing him knock out my Colts twice in the playoffs (one where he had a fucked up knee) then seeing him take over the Chargers last season I couldnt help but be impressed with him .

Rivers has started for 3 seasons now and has already show his clutchness in the 4th where as Drew is in his 6th starting? And is still showing the same fragile 4th quarter weaknesses .

Drew is an impressive QB either way and I dont think its a big knock on Rivers to say Brees is slightly ahead

Its just not the way I personally see it.

[RosettaStoned]

You keep saying this shit...better defenses. I mean come on the bengals and browns twice a year? lol. You act like the afc way better than the nfc. This isnt a few years again. Stop making it seem like its the east vs the west in basketball where everyone knows that the east is shit compared to the west.

Wanted to address this real quick. The Steelers were the # 1 defense. They played each of the other top 4. They also played 8 of the other 11 top defenses in the league. I don't think the Saints played 8 games against people rated below 20. I don't think they played more than 5 games against defenses in the top 20.