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This:
Record Man
NFL records
* Total Touchdowns: 203
* Receiving Touchdowns: 192
* Receptions: 1,456
* Receiving Yards: 21,598
* Total Yards: 22,146
* 1,000 Yard Receiving Seasons: 14
* Consecutive games with an NFL reception: 257
* Receiving yards in a season: 1,848 in 1995
* Receiving TDs in a season: 22 in just 12 games played in 1987
* Games with 100+ receiving yards: 73
* Games with multiple TDs: 41
* Consecutive NFL games with a touchdown: 13
* Consecutive 50-Catch Seasons: 12
Postseason Records
* Receptions: 151
* Receiving yards: 2,283
* Receiving touchdowns: 22
* 100+ receiving yard games: 8
* Consecutive games with a reception: 28
* Consecutive 100+ yard games: 3
* Total touchdowns: 22
* Total postseason yards: 2,288
Super Bowl Records
* Career Receptions: 33
* Career Receiving yards: 589
* Career Receiving TDs: 8
* Career Touchdowns: 8
* Most receptions in a game: 11 (SB XXIII)
* Most receiving yards in a game: 215 (SB XXIII)
* Most receiving touchdowns in a game: 3 (SB XXIV and SB XXIX)
* Most touchdowns in a game: 3 (SB XXIV and SB XXIX)
* Most points: 48
* Most points in a game: 18
* Fastest TD scored in a game: 1 minute, 24 seconds (SB XXIV)
Moss
receiving yards-13,201
receptions-843
touchdowns-135
he also holds the single season touchdown receptions record with 23. a record previously owned by jerry rice with 22. on further note rice accomplished this during an nfl players strike shortened season with 12 games in 1987 while moss broke this record in 16 games in 2007.
Hey, it's killgod again. First point makes a lot of since. More competition makes it harder to lead the league.
Second point is different. Y'see, the late great Hutson was the first guy to even do such things. He played in a league where it was run first, run second, usually run third.
Even the great Fred Biletnikoff only averaged 45 catches a year playing from 1965 to 1978, while Hutson averaged 45 playing from 1935 to 1945.
All I'm saying is that even twenty years down the road, the league's best receivers generally weren't posting better numbers than Hutson did... Hutson's best year receiving was 1942, with 74 catches. Biletnikoff caught 61 passes in '68 and '71.
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Leading the league is leading the league. I don't understand how Hutson wouldn't have led the league in receiving had their been 32 teams instead of 12. Are you saying that there was a WR superior to Hutson, but he just didn't play in the league because there were only 12 teams?
You could argue that Moss gets to face watered-down defenses since there are 32 teams in the league. Hutson had to face the top 24 CBs in the world, Moss got to face CBs #25-64 as well.Comment
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Definitely Top 3. He's the most talented player that I've ever seen and the greatest offensive weapon ever.
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How does leading a league, that's rush rush rush rush, as fox pointed out, compare to leading a league now that actually has pass first offences? Not that Moss lead the league, just asking in general.
Not to knock Hutson, but nobody else during his 74 catch season had more than 25 catches. The rest of his team didn't total 74 catches. Apparently all they did was throw to him when they did pass? Must be nice!
When Moss caught 98 passes in 2007, 300 other catches were made by his teammates.
So Hutson, had 50% of his teams receptions in 1942, while Moss had just 25% of the action in 2007.
Yet this makes Hutson superior to today's athletes? Or is he being over glorified on his skill from lack of surrounding talent on his team and in the league?
You can claim he held records, but when the league is rush rush rush rush.....nobody is even trying to break his records because nobody is even passing at that amount. Correct?
So is his record impressive solely because he was a supreme talent? Or because nobody was even passing the ball at that rate during that era have something to do with it?
I don't even know how you can view guys from the 40's to guys of today. There's far too many changed variables involved.Last edited by killgod; 08-07-2009, 10:53 AM.
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I agree with you to a certain extent, but thats like saying Babe Ruth leading the league in HRs is diminished because everyone else was playing "small ball" with hitting singles and stealing bases. Its easier to lead the league when the 2nd place guy has 30 receptions instead of 90 receptions...but to a degree that is all relative, too.
Thats like saying when Wilt Chamberlain averaged 50 points a game one year, no one else on the team attempted many shots. Kinda missing the point.
Don't know how to interpret your statement. He is not superior to today's athletes in an athletic sense, but I think Hutson's accomplishments are superior to Moss's.
Hutson's Packers teams won the NFL title a few times, and were always a top team. I think its ridiculous to claim that Hutson benefited from a "lack of surrounding talent".
But its not like Hutson's records stood for a couple years, then were obliterated when the league "decided to pass". His TD record stood from the time he retired in the late 40's until 1988 when Steve Largent broke it. Basically what you are implying is that the league was rush rush rush for over 40 years.
If you actually look at what happened in NFL history, it was Hutson's and the Packers' success that shifted the NFL from rush rush rush to the passing league it became in the 1950s. The Browns, Rams, and Colts definitely were passing teams in the 1950's, and they were also the most successful teams of that decade.
Kind of an odd way to look at things...as if the ball was accidently passed to Hutson, he accidently caught it, and the Packers accidently won games. I guess Jim Brown wasn't a supreme talent, its just that he was handed the ball more often than any other RB in the league during that era.Comment
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Hutson also did his thing before all the pass happy rule changes. When WR's and QB's were football players and not pussies. You could kill QB's and WR's back then. You could man handle WR's beyond 5 yards. It was MUCH TOUGHER to do it back then, than it is now. And his records stood for over 40 years.
His best year, 1942, under much harsher conditions for QB's/WR's are 199?/20?? numbers.
Hutson caught 74 passes for 1211 yards and 17 touchdowns.
That's pretty f'n impressive to have done well before the league rules made it easy to pass the ball.
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I would buy arguments that Rice was better than Hutson. Someone claims Rice is better, I'm not going to argue with them. Whether you put Hutson or Rice first, they are at the top of the list.Last edited by bucky; 08-07-2009, 12:11 PM.Comment
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Hypothetical question to stir more discussion:
If (a big if) Moss ended up breaking Rice's touchdown and yardage record by having a disgusting span these next five-six years, would you place him ahead of Jerry Rice? Or does character/lack of Superbowls prevent him from ever being "the best"? What if he and Tom Brady end up being the focal point of another 2-3 Superbowls?Comment
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Didn't know Linda Cohn was posting here.
I think even if Moss breaks Rice's career records, you'd still need to take a closer look before claiming Moss as being superior. Not only did Rice win Super Bowls, he was incredible in the postseason. To date, I don't really remember any of Moss' postseason games. I remember the Vikes losing to Atlanta, and I remember the Pats losing to the Giants, but I don't remember what Moss did in either of those games.Comment
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If your really gunna use the "look at the time he played in argument" which i think is a shit argument to begin with. Hudson played WR for one of the 1st ever Air it out offenses. People just didnt know how to defend it because it was something they hadn't seen before. So the top 24 CB's weren't the best in coverage they were geared waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more towards stopping the run, pro teams were still adjusting to the passing game and just beginning to really develop pass defenses.
Anyway, people keep talking about Moss two years in Oakland, he still had over 1000 yards and 8 TDs in his 1st season there, which are still top in the league numbers, and his 2nd season he hardly played because of a hammy injury, so i don't think those seasons hurt him too bad. Moss won't pass Jerry only because even if Moss breaks some of Jerrys records, Rice has ALL of the major records to go with his 3 rings. Moss would have to break at least 17 of Rices 38 records and win 3 rings to be considered #1. I think he's well on his way to being #2 and solidifying himself as a 1st or 2nd year HOFer.Comment
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