DRAMA!!! Wildcards Top 10 QBs

[Wildcard]

By the time Peyton retires he is going to hold the record for just about every QB Stat there is, may pass Favre's Ironman record, and already has a ring.

Not to mention he puts out the best commercials and SNL skits ever!

What else does Peyton have to prove? He's clearly the G.O.A.T.

I hope he becomes an announcer, or analyst. He's so smart, and has such an angelic voice. Every Peyton interview I see I just get sucked in to his dreamyness .... uh.... anyways... um like, um like, um like, um like, GO PEYTON!!!!!!!

[DoubleDeuce]

This is what passes for football knowledge around here? Really? My god I feel sorry for those of you who have been reading this garbage since November. In the same post this guy both down plays stats (ZOMG stat padder!!1!!1!) and then tries to use stats as the basis of his argument. Which is it? Stats or no stats?

You know what, dont bother trying to decide. Its useless to even try and debate you on the subject because it is obvious that you have something against Brees and are incapable of logical thought when it comes to discussing him considering you said he was what, 7th, 8th on your list of best QBs? That is some laughably terrible stuff right there. 8th? Seriously? Please tell me that you are just the worst troll in the history of the internet because I find it hard to believe that someone could actually be this stupid and avoid doing something like walking into traffic or sticking a wet finger into a light socket for the amount of years that it would take to grow to the age that would enable one to go on the internet and type something so horribly moronic.

Ask every coach and GM in the NFL if they would put 7 QBs above Brees and see how many say yes. As a matter of fact, all the current and former coaches and players that I have seen weighing in on the subject recently put Brees no worse than top 3. But hey, the ramblings of some kid on a message board are far more reliable than those of professionals, right?

Oh yeah, feel free to use all that for a sig and update my post count to 16.



This is what I was supposed to be afraid of? Someone using my post for a sig line and then- THE HORROR- telling people I only had 15 posts? Because post count is an accurate barometer of intelligence right? RIIIIIIIGHT? Not even a response to my post either. Just a shot at my post count in a sig line. You told me I was going to get "pwned." Yeah, still waiting for that to happen. I dont think it is likely considering the guy appears to have the football IQ of Mike Vicks fingernail clippings. You also said I would be laughed at afterwards. Anybody who buys into that dudes BS and actually thinks he has anything intelligent to add to a football discussion is not someone I mind being on opposite sides of in a debate, so whoever wants to laugh can laugh away.

BTW, yes Peyton is a great QB. Even though I am a Brees fan I would still put him above Brees as far as active QBs go, but he is NOT the GOAT. Maybe by the time he retires, but not yet.

[Nukleopatra]

Unfortunately, he doesn't follow the entire conversation, or use any actual facts to back up his argument.. If not for you, Gilbert, I would have missed my favorite part of his post - ''Ask every coach and GM in the NFL if they would put 7 QBs above Brees and see how many say yes. As a matter of fact, all the current and former coaches and players that I have seen weighing in on the subject recently put Brees no worse than top 3. But hey, the ramblings of some kid on a message board are far more reliable than those of professionals, right?''

Funny. Because every person I've heard weighing in on the matter, likes Brees, but at the same time, do not mention him in their top 3, and I've heard a lot.. Even Jerry Jones was asked, and he said he wouldn't trade Tony Romo straight up for Drew Brees. One so called ''expert'' said the only reason he'd consider Brees over Warner, is the age issue, which I completely understand. The question was brought up numerous times, to many many different experts and GMs. Different answers, but certainly not all in favor of Drew Brees.. Big Ben was even mentioned more times than Drew Brees.

Since ''every GM, expert and coach'' has Brees no lower than 3rd, I guess that makes it true.

I think I'll keep him at #8, though.. and take my chances.

[Nukleopatra]

Bop,

are you going to type out another well thought out load of shit, or are you just stopping by?

EDIT: Looks to be another essay on the exact same conversation we had weeks ago.

[Nukleopatra]

Well, if Rashean Mathis says so, I almost have to agree.

Any word of what Carson Palmer said?

[Nukleopatra]

Here's one - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...x.html?eref=T1

By Kerry J. Byrne, Special to SI.com, ColdHardFootballFacts.com



Kurt Warner has stood tall for the Cardinals, leading Arizona to three straight playoff wins and into the franchise's first Super Bowl.
Bill Frakes/SI


Kurt Warner did more than lift the historically dysfunctional Cardinals franchise into its first Super Bowl on Sunday. He also lifted himself past the Chosen One, Peyton Manning, to right behind Tom Brady on the list of the best quarterbacks in the NFL today.

His performance against Philly in the NFC title game was classic big-game Warner, the type we've rarely seen out of Manning in the playoffs. The Eagles entered the NFC title game with one of the league's best defenses: they ranked fourth in scoring (289 points allowed) and fifth in defensive passer rating (72.9).

It didn't matter.

Warner torched this stingy unit, completing 21 of 28 passes (75 percent) for 279 yards, 9.96 yards per attempt, four touchdowns, no interceptions and a 145.7 passer rating.

It was a nearly perfect statistical game. In fact, over the course of the game, Warner jumped past Joe Montana and into second place on the all-time postseason passer rating list: Warner now boasts a 97.3 postseason passer rating; Montana, 95.6. Only the great Bart Starr was better in the playoffs (104.8).

That's not to say Warner is a better quarterback than Montana. He's not. Montana did it over more games and was nearly flawless in four Super Bowl victories. But it does tell us that Warner's performances over his unusual 11-year NFL career have been nothing less than historic in their nature.

It also tells us that Warner is better than Manning.

The similarities
There are a surprising number of similarities between Manning and Warner.

They both joined the NFL in 1998. They both spent the bulk of their careers playing in domes, giving them plenty of opportunity to cook up fat, juicy stats. And both were often surrounded by great offensive talent. Hell, both of them played with Marshall Faulk and Edgerrin James.

The similarities are apparent in the Cold, Hard Football Facts, too:

• Manning is second in NFL history with a 94.7 career passer rating.

• Warner is third in NFL history with a 93.8 career passer rating.

The two are tight as ticks statistically in the regular season.

The differences
Yet there are two major differences between Warner and Manning. They are differences that tell us Warner is the better quarterback even as the misguiding light called reputation says otherwise.

First, Manning was anointed for his greatness as early as high school and the reputation followed him to the University of Tennessee and into the pros, while Warner followed an unusual path from small college (Northern Iowa) to second-rate pro leagues before injury handed him a shot in the NFL. Warner simply doesn't carry the same perception in the eyes of the pigskin public, even as the Cold, Hard Football Facts demand that he deserves the same Manning-style exaltation.

Second, when it comes to all-important postseason play, there is no comparison: Warner is better than Manning any which way you want to slice it or dice it.

Warner in the postseason (10 games):
230 of 360 (63.9 percent), 2,991 yards, 8.31 YPA, 299 yards per game, 23 TD, 12 INT, 97.3 passer rating.

Manning in the postseason (15 games):
348 of 565 (61.6 percent), 4,207 yards, 7.4 YPA, 280 yards per game, 22 TD, 17 INT, 84.9 passer rating.

You'll notice Warner is better than Manning in almost every single efficiency stat and has actually thrown more postseason TD passes than Manning (23 to 22) -- despite playing in five fewer games.

You'll also notice Warner's postseason passer rating (97.3) is higher than his regular-season passer rating (93.8), while Manning's postseason passer rating (84.9) is significantly lower than his regular-season passer rating (94.7).

In other words, Warner's play improves in the postseason pressure cooker. Manning's performances plummet.

So, Drew Brees is on the same level as Manning (according to the Jags secondary,) while Kurt Warner is better.

I just happen to have Warner ranked ahead of Brees, phew.

Posting these meaningful articles, is hard work, isn't it, Bop?

[KoRnStARr]

He drove against the Steelers the year they won the superbowl, Vanderjagt missed the kick. Too bad Nick Harper didn't take care of it first.

Anyway like I said pointless debating. You're the dude who trashes Romo for throwing 3 INTs against the Giants, then blames the wide receivers when Cutler throws 4 against Green Bay.

lol, wasn't even suppose to get to that point. and he hardly did any driving, he just went deep in the endzone and kept failing rather then hit the crossing routes underneath which were wide open, thank god he plays that way in the playoffs or otherwise we'd only have 5 superbowls.

sidenote: Polamalu ended that game a long time ago

[KoRnStARr]

Yeah I can only shudder to think how hard Big Bens game must have been with Parker rushing for 146yards and 2tds (5.4) .... compared to Addais staggering 2.7 YPC .

I feel like Grossman was robbed of his second SB td now .... seeing how Hester "took care of it first"

Really?

The Steelers O had no problems at all moving the ball. They had 28 offensive points and it could've been 35 had a punt return not took place, no way to know.

Peyton Manning had no run game all year and put up points, yet none in the playoffs, per usual

[DoubleDeuce]

Well, since you have yet to prove it wrong......

:crazy:





It's ok, he's just being a troll. Anyone with an IQ above 10 knows that Brees is better than Warner right now, he's just crying for attention. Pretty pathetic actually...

Care to explain your reasoning for Drew Brees over Warner?

[Archer]

Well, since you have yet to prove it wrong......

:crazy:





It's ok, he's just being a troll. Anyone with an IQ above 10 knows that Brees is better than Warner right now, he's just crying for attention. Pretty pathetic actually...

Yeah that record breaking performance v the Jags was horrible

I would hate to have that Quarterbacking my team

[Nukleopatra]

Anyone with an IQ above 10 knows that Brees is better than Warner

Did he just call you guys retarded?

A SigSports flunky coming into your house, and calling you retarded, because you just happen to believe that a future hall of famer is on the same level as a stat padder, who has 1 playoff victory in 7 seasons?

Life is short, buddy, you of all people should know that - You shouldn't be wasting it by arguing with us 20 year old virgins, who can't even talk to a woman on the phone, because we're far too busy moderating a half dead sports forum.

Say ''Hello'' to SOS for me... and keep up the good fight.

[Bmore]

Flacco is movin' on up'!

[Point Blank]

Helluva thread guize.

[xCH0Nx]

Madden 2010 ratings:

1. Peyton Manning- 99
2. Tom Brady- 98
3. Drew Brees- 97
4. Kurt Warner- 94

Hope this clears everything up.

[xCH0Nx]

Drew Brees just joined the convo, watch out!