You know things have gotten bad for the Rams when...

[Warner2BruceTD]

Right... the man that can't even keep a job as a coordinator should be a head coach.

Immediately improved every offense he ever touched, and both the Rams and Lions went backwards after he left (jury out on 9ers, but he performed a minor miracle with what was a historically bad offense in '07).

Martz fun facts:

*55-5 when leading at any point in the 4th Q, best of all time.
*26.5 ppg as a head coach, also the best of all time.
*Playoffs 4 out of 5 seasons

Rams fun facts:

*5-30 last 35 games
*No playoffs since Martz left

[Hasselbeck]

That was the Vermeil team.

Martz was still taking this team to the playoffs in 03/04 with a washed up Faulk, Warner long gone, Pace holding out and getting hurt every year, etc. He tutored Bulger, drafted Jackson, Kevin Curtis, Alex Barron, etc, hired Lovie Smith, and transitioned the team from that era. All while Shaw & Zygmundt tried their best to fight with him and break apart the team. Then they fired him while he laid in a hospital bed.

More importantly, the team had an identity, a swagger, and was always in the hunt.

Rams are 5-30 in thier last 35 games, and 13-38 since Martz left. It would have never gotten this bad if Georgia shit canned Shaw & Zygmunt sooned, and Martz would have won the power play.

He had most of his success with Vermeil's guys.

Martz may turn around an offense, but the Rams still wouldn't win.

Spags is going to need time. Just like Schwartz in Detroit. Both these guys inherited some downright terrible teams. He'll get there, but you just have to be patient.

[mcstl25]

Immediately improved every offense he ever touched, and both the Rams and Lions went backwards after he left (jury out on 9ers, but he performed a minor miracle with what was a historically bad offense in '07).

Martz fun facts:

*55-5 when leading at any point in the 4th Q, best of all time.
*26.5 ppg as a head coach, also the best of all time.
*Playoffs 4 out of 5 seasons

Rams fun facts:

*5-30 last 35 games
*No playoffs since Martz left

So why can't Martz get even a coordinator job in the NFL?

[mcstl25]

What ever happened to Howie Longs son? From what I remember he was drafted to the Rams.

The fact that you haven't heard anything from him as the 2nd overall pick since last year should tell you all you need to know...lol.

[Warner2BruceTD]

He had most of his success with Vermeil's guys.

Martz may turn around an offense, but the Rams still wouldn't win.

Spags is going to need time. Just like Schwartz in Detroit. Both these guys inherited some downright terrible teams. He'll get there, but you just have to be patient.

Nobody can win with this roster, agreed.

But I never liked the Spags hire. I wanted Gruden. On BIgWill's hard drive, you will find my quotes on MM begging for the Rams to not hire Spags.

Now a bunch of big name coaches are on the market, and the Rams will waste 3 years with this guy.

I hope he proves me wrong, but I just dont see it. He was cheap, and you get what you pay for.

[Warner2BruceTD]

So why can't Martz get even a coordinator job in the NFL?

One of life's great mysteries. It's baffling.

[Hasselbeck]

Nobody can win with this roster, agreed.

But I never liked the Spags hire. I wanted Gruden. On BIgWill's hard drive, you will find my quotes on MM begging for the Rams to not hire Spags.

Now a bunch of big name coaches are on the market, and the Rams will waste 3 years with this guy.

I hope he proves me wrong, but I just dont see it. He was cheap, and you get what you pay for.

Those big name coaches also wouldn't touch St. Louis with a ten foot pole. They're sort of like a big named coach in college football/basketball.. they have the ability to pick and choose what great jobs they want.. they don't have anything to prove.

A team like the Raiders, the Rams, the Lions.. those teams HAVE to hire the up and coming assistant .. that's their best shot at a turn around.

Sucks but it's true. A team like San Diego, Washington, Dallas.. they will all have talent in place to lure a Gruden out of a cozy MNF gig. Or a Holmgren. Or a Shanahan. Or a Cowher. Not the Rams, when arguably your most reliable player is a punter/safety that wants out ASAFP.

[ram29jackson]

The fact that you haven't heard anything from him as the 2nd overall pick since last year should tell you all you need to know...lol.

all it tells you is its still early in his career.

Dont get rid of Steven Jackson, its the one strong point you need to hold onto.

.....i remember the Rams had Bettis once.... : (

[Warner2BruceTD]

all it tells you is its still early in his career.

Dont get rid of Steven Jackson, its the one strong point you need to hold onto.

.....i remember the Rams had Bettis once.... : (

Bettis was fat, out of shape, mouthing off, and barely averaging 3.0 per carry when the Rams shipped him out.

If anything, that trade worked out for all parties. Bettis got motivated and revived his career, and the Rams ended up with Faulk and a SB a few years later.

[mcstl25]

all it tells you is its still early in his career.

Dont get rid of Steven Jackson, its the one strong point you need to hold onto.

.....i remember the Rams had Bettis once.... : (

I agree, it's still early. I haven't given up on Long yet. But 19 games into his professional career he has been less than impressive.

And I would hate to see Jackson go. He is my favorite player and the best player on the Rams by far. However, by the time the Rams turn this thing around Jackson will be late 20's early 30's, and we all know what that means for running backs.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Coach Martz, what do you think of the Rams performance since you've left?

[Aso]

Mike Martz developed Trent Green, an 8th round pick. Kurt Warner, Arena League quarterback and Marc Bulger, 6th round pick.

He drafted wide receivers Kevin Curtis and Shaun McDonald in the third and fourth round.

He is a good coach and would easily turn that offense around and easily find weapons. He should've never been fired in the first place.

[mcstl25]

^^^ So why can't such a hot commodity like martz find a job?

[ram29jackson]

I agree, it's still early. I haven't given up on Long yet. But 19 games into his professional career he has been less than impressive.

And I would hate to see Jackson go. He is my favorite player and the best player on the Rams by far. However, by the time the Rams turn this thing around Jackson will be late 20's early 30's, and we all know what that means for running backs.

I hope the Rams future history is a little sooner. But in reference to your comment about aging running backs , here's an example/name of waiting and good things happening.

-Walter Payton-

[Aso]

^^^ So why can't such a hot commodity like martz find a job?

Because nobody has any patience with him. He spent one year with Detroit and one year with the 49ers. A great offense doesn't just fall out of the sky and it's much easier when your the head coach too and you get to make some of the personnel decisions.