Randy Moss is a Bum

[Len B]

Len, stfu. Moss has had back issues all year. I am sure that it has nothing to do with his lack of performance lately.. you know he gets like Wednesdays off every week and stuff? A bad back can really limit what you can do especially as a receiver.

A bad back that has lead him to have outstanding games this year, and at times blow by defenders and make outstanding plays?

A bad back isn't going to stop you from running 100% on some plays. His attitude is stopping him from doing that.

[Prodigal Son]

Since the Broncos will likely be the 5th seed, they'll be kicking the Broncos ass in January!

I like how you're too stupid to realize why you got groaned and decided to groan me back.

[Len B]

Yeah you're right. They looked very good today

One loss and they're out.

Says the guy whose team barely beat Jacksonville and lost to Buffalo a couple weeks ago. It's the NFL, a win is a win. Hopefully you aren't making a case for Miami going undefeated the rest of the way if "barely got by" is your logic.

One loss and they still hold the tie breaker over Jets, Ravens, Steelers, Titans. If they beat either Jacksonville or Houston they have the tiebreaker over them as well. Miami has to play Houston/Tennessee/Pittsburgh. Every week one wildcard contending team will get an extra loss from those three games. Pittsburgh also has to play Baltimore, so another wildcard contending team will get a loss.

If Patriots go 10-6 they are in, and if they go 9-7 they still have a shot depending on what happens in the AFC. Not really sure where you're getting this logic.

[Len B]

I'll add for the record, I do understand Moss frees up Welker and I do understand he's the most talented player on the field.

That said, dude needs to put up 100% of the time and stop bumming his ass around half the time. He makes the team look really sloppy, especially when Brady puts a lot of trust in him by throwing the ball before his route is done.

[celtsxpatsxsox]

A bad back that has lead him to have outstanding games this year, and at times blow by defenders and make outstanding plays?

A bad back isn't going to stop you from running 100% on some plays. His attitude is stopping him from doing that.

There are some plays designed where Moss doesn't run 100% to lull the defense. But I do get sometimes he does take plays off. I believe Moss just being on the field makes the offense better because the defense keys in on him.

I still hope we draft a WR (Golden Tate) if Moss is back next year or not.

[Liquidrob]

without Moss Brady would have never thrown more than 28 TDs in a single season, he went from Troy Aikman like status to Peyton manning status (which he is not)

[Tailback U]

There are some plays designed where Moss doesn't run 100% to lull the defense. But I do get sometimes he does take plays off. I believe Moss just being on the field makes the offense better because the defense keys in on him.

I still hope we draft a WR (Golden Tate) if Moss is back next year or not.

As others have said, Moss has always taken plays off. Guys don't just start taking plays off all of a sudden, it is something they've been doing since they started playing the game. It's a habit they developed a long time ago and are never going to break it.

Moss is as talented as any receiver in the game, but his tragic flaw will always be his attitude and effort, and that's why he will never be as great as guys like Jim Rice, Tim Brown, Art Monk, Cris Carter, Michael Irvin, etc. Those guys played hard all the time and especially when the team needed them most.

[FUSE]

Finally someone agrees with me. Back when Moss signed with NE i told everyone that it'll be a matter of time before he dogs on NE. He is now showing that same behavior from his time in Oakland. He takes his ball and goes home

[Tailback U]

without Moss Brady would have never thrown more than 28 TDs in a single season, he went from Troy Aikman like status to Peyton manning status (which he is not)

Irrelevant. Nobody is doubting Moss's talent or ability. Only his effort and attitude.

[celtsxpatsxsox]

As others have said, Moss has always taken plays off. Guys don't just start taking plays off all of a sudden, it is something they've done since gradeschool and is a habit they are never going to break.

Moss is as talented as any receiver in the game, but his tragic flaw will always be his attitude and effort, and that's why he will never be as great as guys like Jim Rice, Tim Brown, Art Monk, Cris Carter, Michael Irvin, etc.

I never said Moss hasn't always taken plays off. I just said there are some designed plays where Moss doesn't run 100%. I am not making that up Belichick said it in a radio interview earlier in the season.

[Len B]

without Moss Brady would have never thrown more than 28 TDs in a single season, he went from Troy Aikman like status to Peyton manning status (which he is not)

Brady already had three Superbowls and Joe Montana status before Moss. Moss showing up lead us to absolutely nothing but a statistical season.

I'm sure Brady's not thanking Moss for turning him from the second best QB into the... second best QB with stats; didn't work too well for Dan Marino.

By the way, Manning averaged 25-33 TD's for his first six seasons, then had his 49 his 7th year. Brady did the same exact thing. I know Manning is better, but I don't think Brady is too far behind when healthy.

[Prodigal Son]

I never said Moss hasn't always taken plays off. I just said there are some designed plays where Moss doesn't run 100%. I am not making that up Belichick said it in a radio interview earlier in the season.

So you're saying that Brady is the dumb fuck who's throwing to the wrong receiver?

[Liquidrob]

Brady already had three Superbowls and Joe Montana status before Moss. Moss showing up lead us to absolutely nothing but a statistical season.

I'm sure Brady's not thanking Moss for turning him from the second best QB into the... second best QB with stats; didn't work too well for Dan Marino.

By the way, Manning averaged 25-33 TD's for his first six seasons, then had his 49 his 7th year. Brady did the same exact thing.

before Bradys 50 TD season he was in the Aikman catergory all time, the super bowl wins but not the geat single season stats, only Pats fans thought he was up with Montana, Elway, Marino, etc...

Once he had the 50 TD season because of Moss he was put above that Aikman status, he should thank Moss because without Moss he never would throw over 30 TD's a year

sidenote: he should thank Vinatieri also

[celtsxpatsxsox]

So you're saying that Brady is the dumb fuck who's throwing to the wrong receiver?

Read the bold part. I already said I think Moss takes play off. I also said there are some designed plays. Like Brady's interception. I felt Moss gave up on that play. There was also a play where he didn't bother to block his man.

There are some plays designed where Moss doesn't run 100% to lull the defense. But I do get sometimes he does take plays off. I believe Moss just being on the field makes the offense better because the defense keys in on him.

I still hope we draft a WR (Golden Tate) if Moss is back next year or not.

[Mogriffjr]

Chris Gamble pretty much said what Len b said...I gotta find the quote but i just saw it on ESPNews.