Pinning it all on Favre is ridiculous

[Len B]

you are looking at season long over all stats. i am talking about key moments in a game where a true playmaker takes the moment for himself. Favre didnt have any. Dallas, Pitt, Buffalo, Raiders, 49ers had those type of people.

Oh hai!

[ram29jackson]

Oh hai!

cool, great !
but thats one guy and one year. who only saw special teams time.

all the other QBs of note were on teams that had more highly motivated all star starters with more opportunities.

Howard was great to watch. he ran through tackles, as if to say- you just plain aint stopping me.


thats a cool picture

[MrBill]

Oh hai!

Whoa, Desmond Howard made the HoF?

[bucky]

you are looking at season long over all stats. i am talking about key moments in a game where a true playmaker takes the moment for himself. Favre didnt have any. Dallas, Pitt, Buffalo, Raiders, 49ers had those type of people.

I looked up some playoff rushing averages from 2000 to 2007 and I found things like 4.6, 4.8, 4.0, 5.9. These are not single game averages, they are playoff averages.

Brett had Ahman Green, Javon Walker, Donald Driver, Gregg Jennings, Ryan Grant (had a 5.9 average in the 2007 playoffs).

He had a buldozing O-Line during the Green Years. Talk about taking pressure off a QB.

Bart Starr was a much smarter QB than Brett and didn't make those critical mistakes in those critical games. The kind of mistakes that Brett has now made w/ 3 different teams.

Starr >>>> Favre

[MrBill]

I looked up some playoff rushing averages from 2000 to 2007 and I found things like 4.6, 4.8, 4.0, 5.9. These are not single game averages, they are playoff averages.

Brett had Ahman Green, Javon Walker, Donald Driver, Gregg Jennings, Ryan Grant (had a 5.9 average in the 2007 playoffs).

He had a buldozing O-Line during the Green Years. Talk about taking pressure off a QB.

Bart Starr was a much smarter QB than Brett and didn't make those critical mistakes in those critical games. The kind of mistakes that Brett has now made w/ 3 different teams.

Starr >>>> Favre

But you are completely ignoring (on purpose I believe) the fact that Starr had a dozen HoF players around him. None of the guys you mentioned above are going to sniff the HoF.

Starr's supporting cast>>>>Favre's supporting cast

To argue that is just flat out misguided.

[ram29jackson]

I looked up some playoff rushing averages from 2000 to 2007 and I found things like 4.6, 4.8, 4.0, 5.9. These are not single game averages, they are playoff averages.

Brett had Ahman Green, Javon Walker, Donald Driver, Gregg Jennings, Ryan Grant (had a 5.9 average in the 2007 playoffs).

He had a buldozing O-Line during the Green Years. Talk about taking pressure off a QB.

Bart Starr was a much smarter QB than Brett and didn't make those critical mistakes in those critical games. The kind of mistakes that Brett has now made w/ 3 different teams.

Starr >>>> Favre

what mrbill said haha

more patient, maybe. He wasnt smarter. thats too subjective to argue


and you keep bringing up stats. i am talking about moments in time and players resolve so favre didnt have the game laying on his shoulders all the time. he didnt have the game breakers like the other top dogs.

[Rayman]

Whoa, Desmond Howard made the HoF?

I guess Reggie White getting a Super Bowl record 3 sacks didn't help either?

[Len B]

Whoa, Desmond Howard made the HoF?

i am talking about key moments in a game where a true playmaker takes the moment for himself. Favre didnt have any

Favre's biggest moment of his career, he had one.

[MrBill]

I guess Reggie White getting a Super Bowl record 3 sacks didn't help either?

I acknowledged earlier that Brett had one HoF caliber teammate on defense when he went to the Superbowl. That is the only one he has played with in his 20 year career. Aikman had Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin on offense with more likely to be added in the future along with people like Charles Haley on defense.

i am talking about key moments in a game where a true playmaker takes the moment for himself. Favre didnt have any

Favre's biggest moment of his career, he had one.

And like a flash in the pan, he was gone....and will never even get nominated for the HoF, much less elected. Unlike several Patriots players that will be nominated and go in as their 5 year windows are up.

[Rayman]

I acknowledged earlier that Brett had one HoF caliber teammate on defense when he went to the Superbowl. That is the only one he has played with in his 20 year career. Aikman had Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin on offense with more likely to be added in the future along with people like Charles Haley on defense.



And like a flash in the pan, he was gone....and will never even get nominated for the HoF, much less elected. Unlike several Patriots players that will be nominated and go in as their 5 year windows are up.

OK, but stop acting like the 1 year Packers dynasty was all Brett Favre. It wasn't. He had more than enough star players on that team and while they may not have had the longevity as stars to qualify for the HOF, they were good enough at the time to be considered elite or close to it. That was an extremely talented team and the great Favre was only able to squeeze one championship out of it.

[Sportsbuck]

And like a flash in the pan, he was gone....and will never even get nominated for the HoF, much less elected. Unlike several Patriots players that will be nominated and go in as their 5 year windows are up.

Which offensive player outside of Brady will get nominated from those Super Bowl winning Patriots teams? The only one that comes to mind is Corey Dillon and Ahman Green had a comparable career to him.

[Len B]

And like a flash in the pan, he was gone....and will never even get nominated for the HoF, much less elected. Unlike several Patriots players that will be nominated and go in as their 5 year windows are up.

Oh I would LOVE to hear this list of several Patriots who are making the hall of fame from the Patriots three Super Bowl rings.

I'm calling you out on your bluff.

[NAHSTE]

Having not checked this thread since the day after the game, I'm amazed this is at the top of page 1.

[Len B]

I acknowledged earlier that Brett had one HoF caliber teammate on defense when he went to the Superbowl. That is the only one he has played with in his 20 year career. Aikman had Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin on offense with more likely to be added in the future along with people like Charles Haley on defense.

No one is arguing Troy Aikman is the best QB of all-time, so I'm not sure how his supporting cast matters here. Let's not bring up random QB's just so we can say make random points.

[Len B]

Having not checked this thread since the day after the game, I'm amazed this is at the top of page 1.

It's my fault, I re-opened it.