OOBL's Mock Pre-Combine

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

So every single person that creates a mock draft is going to get people flaming their thread like this? Because I'm not paid by ESPN or an NFL team I must know absolutely nothing about college, the NFL, or the draft and I should never be able to have an opinion on how a player plays?

First rule of Mock Drafting is "Don't take yourself seriously."...nobody knows anything...not even NFL personnel men (every team in the league drafts players that are bums before their rookie contracts are up)...not until these guys get their asses into camp and actually playing. Most players success is determined by what team they go to in the first place and there are only a few players in each draft that you can say with some kind of certainty that they'll succeed.

Until then, its all opinion, meaningless conjecture, and stuff to do for fun...especially Mocks, which are all complete garbage.

The only two mocks I take even remotely serious are the ones done the Friday before the draft...typically Scott Wright's and Rich Gosselin's, they just tend to be the most accurate in an non-accurate business.

With that said, lighten up, Francis.

[OnlyOneBeerLeft]

First rule of Mock Drafting is "Don't take yourself seriously."...nobody knows anything...not even NFL personnel men (every team in the league drafts players that are bums before their rookie contracts are up)...not until these guys get their asses into camp and actually playing. Most players success is determined by what team they go to in the first place and there are only a few players in each draft that you can say with some kind of certainty that they'll succeed.

Until then, its all opinion, meaningless conjecture, and stuff to do for fun...especially Mocks, which are all complete garbage.

The only two mocks I take even remotely serious are the ones done the Friday before the draft...typically Scott Wright's and Rich Gosselin's, they just tend to be the most accurate in an non-accurate business.

With that said, lighten up, Francis.

I am lightened, and I agree mock's for the most part are garbage, I think last year I only got 11 or so picks right, and the so called experts usually get even less lmao But A lot of people do it for fun, for speculation during a down time in the NFL. I said right off the rip that I'm not an expert, obviously, it was my guess on how things could go.

[Sven Draconian]

that's what I said earlier in the thread, and again, how is it the exact same as the "experts" Nothing in my write ups is this same, and believe it or not you don't have to be a professional scout to say something about a player, how you think they play, etc. If your going to sit here and take a shot at one of my picks then go for it, otherwise I don't need your input. Everybody who puts pick summaries in their mocks has information and evaluation of a player, should I make up some fictional content on a player just because you saw a scout somewhere say that they had good work ethic, or they reminded them of a player? Am I not allowed to say something about a player because somebody else in the world happened to say something similar?

No, the point is that you're full of shit. You "watched film' on the players. You don't even know what the fuck you are watching. You don't know the defensive call. You don't know the technique they were coached. You wouldn't even know what that meant if you were told.

Let alone know how that translates to what each NFL team does.

You're just babbling the same cliche'd shit you've read everywhere else "Oh, he's explosive" or "he can collapse the pocket," changing the order, based on absolutely nothing since you have no idea what any particular team is looking for, and posting it to act like some guru.

Do you even realize how many games it would take to make a decent mock? Even if you were spotted the 60 hottest prospects (reasonable), you would need to watch at minimum 3 games from each player (coaches cutup, not TV film, that shit's worthless for evaluations)...that's 180 games. You could then reasonably rank those players.

Then you would need ot watch 5 games, or so, of each NFL team to figure out what they do so you know which players fit which teams. That's another 150 games.

Assuming you can watch a cutup in about 15 minutes (with rewinds) you can probably knockout those 330 games in 88 hours to make a rough mock draft (assuming every team is going BPA, with no trades).

Then I'll give a rats ass about your mock.

[dave]

So every single person that creates a mock draft is going to get people flaming their thread like this? Because I'm not paid by ESPN or an NFL team I must know absolutely nothing about college, the NFL, or the draft and I should never be able to have an opinion on how a player plays?

Beer, you're a good guy and this is a solid mock, but you're way too sensitive to post mocks at VSN.
The second the masses sense any weakness, your feelings are in for a world of hurt.
You have to remember - you have 32 teams' fans to satisfy.
Not possible.
Ever.

I would never be serious about posting a mock here.

You're better off throwing yourself into a wood chipper. Less painful.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

No, the point is that you're full of shit. You "watched film' on the players. You don't even know what the fuck you are watching. You don't know the defensive call. You don't know the technique they were coached. You wouldn't even know what that meant if you were told.

Let alone know how that translates to what each NFL team does.

You're just babbling the same cliche'd shit you've read everywhere else "Oh, he's explosive" or "he can collapse the pocket," changing the order, based on absolutely nothing since you have no idea what any particular team is looking for, and posting it to act like some guru.

Do you even realize how many games it would take to make a decent mock? Even if you were spotted the 60 hottest prospects (reasonable), you would need to watch at minimum 3 games from each player (coaches cutup, not TV film, that shit's worthless for evaluations)...that's 180 games. You could then reasonably rank those players.

Then you would need ot watch 5 games, or so, of each NFL team to figure out what they do so you know which players fit which teams. That's another 150 games.

Assuming you can watch a cutup in about 15 minutes (with rewinds) you can probably knockout those 330 games in 88 hours to make a rough mock draft (assuming every team is going BPA, with no trades).

Then I'll give a rats ass about your mock.

Or, you can just do what Rich Gosselin does and call up his contacts at each NFL team and get at best 1/3 of the picks correct, max, in any given year, which is good for the best mock draft on the interwebz.

Whichever is easier.

And, you don't need to be able to deconstruct an A-Bomb to know who and what a first round pick is...its not that difficult, Sven. Scouts, who tend to go in "blind" moreover than most could pick out the studs just going to practice and watching them for a day.

btw - I saw the Dolphins team mock draft (all NFL teams do their homework and create a mock)...was it...two seasons ago? It was way after the draft. But, I lol'd at it.

[OnlyOneBeerLeft]

Beer, you're a good guy and this is a solid mock, but you're way too sensitive to post mocks at VSN.
The second the masses sense any weakness, your feelings are in for a world of hurt.
You have to remember - you have 32 teams' fans to satisfy.
Not possible.
Ever.

I would never be serious about posting a mock here.

You're better off throwing yourself into a wood chipper. Less painful.

lol I'm not getting sensitive about it, I'm replying to what people are saying, it's keeping the thread active. I see what your saying, and I don't make a mock to satisfy anybody, I make it because I'm an NFL fan, its the offseason, and I'm not really hardcore about the other sports going on right now. Every mock gets extreme criticism, always will, because unless you work for a team and have an inside source nobody has any clue who wants what or who will take what. Not a single person here is an expert and neither am I.

[dave]

lol I'm not getting sensitive about it, I'm replying to what people are saying, it's keeping the thread active. I see what your saying, and I don't make a mock to satisfy anybody, I make it because I'm an NFL fan, its the offseason, and I'm not really hardcore about the other sports going on right now. Every mock gets extreme criticism, always will, because unless you work for a team and have an inside source nobody has any clue who wants what or who will take what. Not a single person here is an expert and neither am I.

Firsttimer is an expert.



Sorry FT :D

[Jagsfan61]

OOBL IS THE MAN!

[Sven Draconian]

that's what I said earlier in the thread, and again, how is it the exact same as the "experts" Nothing in my write ups is this same, and believe it or not you don't have to be a professional scout to say something about a player, how you think they play, etc. If your going to sit here and take a shot at one of my picks then go for it, otherwise I don't need your input. Everybody who puts pick summaries in their mocks has information and evaluation of a player, should I make up some fictional content on a player just because you saw a scout somewhere say that they had good work ethic, or they reminded them of a player? Am I not allowed to say something about a player because somebody else in the world happened to say something similar?

Or, you can just do what Rich Gosselin does and call up his contacts at each NFL team and get at best 1/3 of the picks correct, max, in any given year, which is good for the best mock draft on the interwebz.

Whichever is easier.

And, you don't need to be able to deconstruct an A-Bomb to know who and what a first round pick is...its not that difficult, Sven. Scouts, who tend to go in "blind" moreover than most could pick out the studs just going to practice and watching them for a day.

btw - I saw the Dolphins team mock draft (all NFL teams do their homework and create a mock)...was it...two seasons ago? It was way after the draft. But, I lol'd at it.

Sure, if you have NFL contacts (what keeps Maycock and co. in bussiness).

Just don't write-up your own evaluations of players and act like it was done through independent research. "Of course we said the same things, we watched the same film." No you didn't. You read everbodies shit and re-posted the stuff that was already posted, or you simply made shit up.
Either way, you didn't spend days grading film to come out with this mock.

[FirstTimer]

1. I have one, nice try

Your mom being your date to homecoming doesn't count.

2. Bait? You are in no way shape or form even close to the trolling level of Nuk, you wish you were, you wish you got that recognition, and just because I reply to your posts doesn't mean I give a fuck what you think or what you post.

Your analysis' are just copied bullshit from other sites. It's not original and the fact that you tried to pass it off as "Oh we just have the same ideas" when you essentially just paraphrased what they said is laughable.

The only thing that could have made your evaluations more lame or cliche is if you referred to a white defensive lineman as having a "high motor".

You should have done a works cited page for this awful draft. MLA or APA accepted.

[The Buddha]

First rule of Mock Drafting is "Don't take yourself seriously."...nobody knows anything...not even NFL personnel men (every team in the league drafts players that are bums before their rookie contracts are up)...not until these guys get their asses into camp and actually playing. Most players success is determined by what team they go to in the first place and there are only a few players in each draft that you can say with some kind of certainty that they'll succeed.

Until then, its all opinion, meaningless conjecture, and stuff to do for fun...especially Mocks, which are all complete garbage.

The only two mocks I take even remotely serious are the ones done the Friday before the draft...typically Scott Wright's and Rich Gosselin's, they just tend to be the most accurate in an non-accurate business.

With that said, lighten up, Francis.

I always thought the first rule of mock drafting is you dont talk about mock drafting.

[Maize]

Hey, mock looks great. Making mock drafts is not an exact science and the closer we get to the real deal, the more things change. Looks good for being two months out.

[Aso]

A lot of the player comparisons do look similar to those of other sites. Decent mock though.

[OnlyOneBeerLeft]

Hey, mock looks great. Making mock drafts is not an exact science and the closer we get to the real deal, the more things change. Looks good for being two months out.

Yeah its all just for fun and speculation, will be interesting to see how things shake up down the stretch here.

A lot of the player comparisons do look similar to those of other sites. Decent mock though.

How different can player comparisons possibly be though? Players are all unique, the comparisons are a generalization, the guys I compared to were the first to come to mind to me, and most likely the first to come to mind for most people.

[FirstTimer]

Yeah its all just for fun and speculation, will be interesting to see how things shake up down the stretch here.



How different can player comparisons possibly be though? Players are all unique, the comparisons are a generalization, the guys I compared to were the first to come to mind to me, and most likely the first to come to mind for most people.

Shouldn't you be off somewhere watching the combine for your next mock?