soooo..moss to vikings.......v jax to new england?

[Kuzzy Powers]

Vincent Jackson is easily better than Moss right now. But I doubt the Patriots do this. Now their top three receivers are Welker - Tate - Edelman, and Taylor Price will probably start being active on gamedays now.

When Randy Moss wants to be, hes still better then EVERYONE.

[Misogi]

When Randy Moss wants to be, hes still better then EVERYONE.

^Gets it.

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he can get it too.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Vincent Jackson has somehow morphed into possibly the most overated player in the league. How did this happen?

[Esjay]

Vincent Jackson is easily better than Moss right now. But I doubt the Patriots do this. Now their top three receivers are Welker - Tate - Edelman, and Taylor Price will probably start being active on gamedays now.

LOL.

You need to be smacked.

[Kuzzy Powers]

Vincent Jackson has somehow morphed into possibly the most overated player in the league. How did this happen?

Fantasy football (and stat geeks in general) has turned a lot of average players into overrated ones because of the monster numbers when they're the lone options at their position, when in reality it doesnt translate into actual talent. I think Vincent Jackson is a nice receiver, but to even compare him with Randy is some ridiculous shit.

[Aso]

When Randy Moss wants to be, hes still better then EVERYONE.

Exactly.

[Aso]

What? Vince Jackson is easily better than Moss right now?

Because he's had 2 decent seasons?

Moss 2009:

83 catches, 1264 yards, 13 TDs.

Jacksons 2009:

68 catches, 1167 yards, 9 TDs.

Moss 2008:

68 catches, 1008 yards, 11 TDs.

Jacksons 2008:

59 catches, 1098 yards, 7 TDs.

Jackson has had 2 seasons over 1000 yards in his entire career, and they were barely over 1000. He's never caught 10 TDs.

Moss has had 3 seasons in a row over 1,000 yards and 10 TDs.

Vincent Jackson is 6'5", can run, and has had Phillip Rivers throwing to him his entire career. Why is he barely a borderline 1000 yard receiver?

He's nothing special. Every good QB in this league turns their number 1 WR into a 1000 yard / 8 TD guy.

Congratulations, you know how to look up stats.

The majority of Tom Brady's interceptions come when he's throwing to Randy Moss. Vincent Jackson also has much better hands than Randy Moss. Moss drops more passes.

From PFF: When Brady threw to Moss last year he also threw 7 interceptions along with Moss dropping 8 passes. On the opposite end of that Rivers threw 2 interceptions and Jackson dropped 2 passes. You can try and discredit the site and say it's not trustworthy because it's not affiliated with the NFL, but on the other hand none of you are either and I'm pretty sure none of you watched and broke down every play from the 2009 season.


About the stats, let's compare teams first, All last year:

Pass Attempts: Chargers 519, Patriots 592

So the Patriots threw the ball 73 more times and Moss has 15 more catches? Yes, I must say bravo. The catches stat right there definitely shows Moss is better. You got me, bro.

[Tailback U]

Fantasy football (and stat geeks in general) has turned a lot of average players into overrated ones because of the monster numbers when they're the lone options at their position, when in reality it doesnt translate into actual talent. I think Vincent Jackson is a nice receiver, but to even compare him with Randy is some ridiculous shit.

I agree, but the thing is, Vincent Jackson has never even come close to putting up "monster numbers."

He was 8th in the league in receiving yards last season (Moss was 2nd), and tied for 10th in the league (with 6 others) with 9 TDs, Moss was tied for 1st with 13.

Not to mention he was 30th in the league in receptions.

Screw comparing him to Randy Moss, I'd argue that he's not even a top 10 WR in the league.

[Esjay]

Congratulations, you know how to look up stats.

The majority of Tom Brady's interceptions come when he's throwing to Randy Moss. Vincent Jackson also has much better hands than Randy Moss. Moss drops more passes.

From PFF: When Brady threw to Moss last year he also threw 7 interceptions along with Moss dropping 8 passes. On the opposite end of that Rivers threw 2 interceptions and Jackson dropped 2 passes. You can try and discredit the site and say it's not trustworthy because it's not affiliated with the NFL, but on the other hand none of you are either and I'm pretty sure none of you watched and broke down every play from the 2009 season.


About the stats, let's compare teams first, All last year:

Pass Attempts: Chargers 519, Patriots 592

So the Patriots threw the ball 73 more times and Moss has 15 more catches? Yes, I must say bravo. The catches stat right there definitely shows Moss is better. You got me, bro.

Are you this stupid? First, you try and use the "Brady threw more interceptions when throwing to Moss, blah blah blah" .. and then turn around and use the Patriots tendency to throw the ball more both for the same argument?! Of course Moss is going to have more drops. Brady throws more interceptions when throwing to Moss because he is willing to try the defense at almost any time, Moss is that special a deep threat.

Moss is in an extremely elite class when it comes to wide receivers. LOL @ Jackson having better hands. That's just laughable. What Moss has at times is a lack of concentration, and what you have is a lack of NFL knowledge whatsoever. Stick to Madden.

[NAHSTE]

I agree, but the thing is, Vincent Jackson has never even come close to putting up "monster numbers."

He was 8th in the league in receiving yards last season (Moss was 2nd), and tied for 10th in the league (with 6 others) with 9 TDs, Moss was tied for 1st with 13.

Not to mention he was 30th in the league in receptions.

Screw comparing him to Randy Moss, I'd argue that he's not even a top 10 WR in the league.

That's because he isn't.

[Tailback U]

Congratulations, you know how to look up stats.

The majority of Tom Brady's interceptions come when he's throwing to Randy Moss. Vincent Jackson also has much better hands than Randy Moss. Moss drops more passes.

From PFF: When Brady threw to Moss last year he also threw 7 interceptions along with Moss dropping 8 passes. On the opposite end of that Rivers threw 2 interceptions and Jackson dropped 2 passes. You can try and discredit the site and say it's not trustworthy because it's not affiliated with the NFL, but on the other hand none of you are either and I'm pretty sure none of you watched and broke down every play from the 2009 season.


About the stats, let's compare teams first, All last year:

Pass Attempts: Chargers 519, Patriots 592

So the Patriots threw the ball 73 more times and Moss has 15 more catches? Yes, I must say bravo. The catches stat right there definitely shows Moss is better. You got me, bro.

This is what happens when somebody knows they are wrong but are too stubborn to admit it.

You and I both know that Moss wasn't Brady's number 1 wide receiver, Welker was.

:hahaha: "Jackson has much better hands than Moss" because Moss dropped 6 more passes on the entire year, from a source that isn't even credible.

:hahaha: "Brady throws more interceptions when throwing it to Moss." How is that Moss' fault again?

Lastly, stats do only tell so much, and I don't judge solely based on them. Moss' 2009 wasn't that much better than Jacksons statistically, but it was definitely better. So for you to say, "Jackson is easily better than Moss right now," makes no sense whatsoever.

If you want to say that Jackson is better than go right ahead, but easily better? No fucking way.

[NAHSTE]

TBU, save your keystrokes. Moss is one of the all-time greats, and Jackson is a fringe top 15 guy who hasn't played a down all year. That he even said that in the first place is laughable enough.

[Woy]

Moss shits on VJ...easily.

[celtsxpatsxsox]

I would not want Jackson. Chargers are demanding too much, he wants a big contract, he is going to miss games since he is suspended, and he has character/off field issues. Moss is still better than Jackson even though I feel Moss has lost a step.

[Aso]

I agree, but the thing is, Vincent Jackson has never even come close to putting up "monster numbers."

He was 8th in the league in receiving yards last season (Moss was 2nd), and tied for 10th in the league (with 6 others) with 9 TDs, Moss was tied for 1st with 13.

Not to mention he was 30th in the league in receptions.

Screw comparing him to Randy Moss, I'd argue that he's not even a top 10 WR in the league.

Your ENTIRE argument is based solely on stats. You could never have watched the NFL a day in your life and make the same argument. Using stats as a way to show is better is completely asinine. From the '08 and '09 seasons Jackson is better than Moss.

Are you this stupid? First, you try and use the "Brady threw more interceptions when throwing to Moss, blah blah blah" .. and then turn around and use the Patriots tendency to throw the ball more both for the same argument?! Of course Moss is going to have more drops. Brady throws more interceptions when throwing to Moss because he is willing to try the defense at almost any time, Moss is that special a deep threat.

Moss is in an extremely elite class when it comes to wide receivers. LOL @ Jackson having better hands. That's just laughable. What Moss has at times is a lack of concentration, and what you have is a lack of NFL knowledge whatsoever. Stick to Madden.

First if you want to say the Patriots threw the ball more as a way to discredit the INT's throw his way, well that doesn't work. Brady's 7/13 were to Moss while Rivers 2/9 were to Jackson. Jackson is also a special deep threat. He just does it a different way. Instead of straight outrunning someone he jumps up over them to make the catch. Rivers would try the defense as well the past couple of seasons with Jackson outside.

That's because he isn't.

Name 10 WR's based off last season who are better.

This is what happens when somebody knows they are wrong but are too stubborn to admit it.

You and I both know that Moss wasn't Brady's number 1 wide receiver, Welker was.

:hahaha: "Jackson has much better hands than Moss" because Moss dropped 6 more passes on the entire year, from a source that isn't even credible.

:hahaha: "Brady throws more interceptions when throwing it to Moss." How is that Moss' fault again?

Lastly, stats do only tell so much, and I don't judge solely based on them. Moss' 2009 wasn't that much better than Jacksons statistically, but it was definitely better. So for you to say, "Jackson is easily better than Moss right now," makes no sense whatsoever.

If you want to say that Jackson is better than go right ahead, but easily better? No fucking way.

lol, I'm not stubborn. I know when I am wrong and I admit when I'm wrong. But here, I don't believe I am wrong.

Ok, you and I both know Jackson wasn't Rivers number 1, Gates was. How is that bit of information even relevant?

Hahahaha yeah and you are a credible source for who is better and who isn't? They watched every play from every game last year, can you say the same? Why are you and anyone else on VSN a more credible source for who is better and who isn't than PFF?

It shows how his presence is hurting the team. How he slacks on his routes which leads to INT's. Last year Favre threw one interception when throwing to Sidney and Favre definitely just threw the ball up there for him just like Brady does for Moss.

Moss' effort is sporadic and while Jackson's is constant. Jackson has better hands, and runs more routes.

TBU, save your keystrokes. Moss is one of the all-time greats, and Jackson is a fringe top 15 guy who hasn't played a down all year. That he even said that in the first place is laughable enough.

Moss is one of the all time greats because of what he did from '98 to '04 and in '07. Not because of what he did last year.

Name 10 guys who you think is better.