Mike Golic "takes dump" on Football Outsiders this morning

[manchild24]

Steve Czaban had the best show on FOX but they took him off the air because FOX said it sounds too much like Mike and Mike (furthest from it) and replaced him with that militant fuck Steven A Smith

[FedEx227]

Lefty hates you.

I think one of (perhaps the)the worst "en vogue" stats in basketball right now is Per36 minutes. This state makes no sense to me. It essentially punishes anyone who plays more than 36MPG and is basically a useless stat to make Reggie Evans or someother player feel better that if they were actually good enough or on the floor enough to play 36MPG they might actually put up those stats.

The fact that Per36 allows Yinka Dare to average nearly a career double double is alone enough IMO to allow this stat to go to hell.

Haha yeah, I'm just not in love with basketball stats just yet.

The ones I like: PER, +/-, Usage %, Win Shares, Win Shares/48 minutes Effective FG%, Offensive Rebound %, Defensive Rebound %

The rest just seem a bit too arbitrary to me. I'm starting to learn more of them and yeah I guess some are valuable but I just don't think we're anywhere near the level of higher end basketball stats just yet.

[strahanfan92]

Steve Czaban had the best show on FOX but they took him off the air because FOX said it sounds too much like Mike and Mike (furthest from it) and replaced him with that militant fuck Steven A Smith

Yeah I fucking loved Czaban's show. Very entertaining and good even for a Redskins fan.

[FirstTimer]

Haha yeah, I'm just not in love with basketball stats just yet.

The ones I like: PER, +/-, Usage %, Win Shares, Win Shares/48 minutes Effective FG%, Offensive Rebound %, Defensive Rebound %

The rest just seem a bit too arbitrary to me. I'm starting to learn more of them and yeah I guess some are valuable but I just don't think we're anywhere near the level of higher end basketball stats just yet.

The fact that basketball "sabremetrically" can prove Paul Pierce>Drexler or Carmelo>Zeke is enough IMO to tell them to take a hike in general.

[FedEx227]

I don't go to Chi City enough but why was Isiah Thomas compared to Carmelo Anthony?

[FirstTimer]

I don't go to Chi City enough but why was Isiah Thomas compared to Carmelo Anthony?

Some ridiculousness. I don't know how it all started but essentially the argument was being made that based on this and these and these basketball sabre stats you could show Carmelo>Zeke

http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/chicago-bulls-forum/8360-carmelo-anthony-2.html

[FedEx227]

Well here's the thing....

Carmelo is way better at being a highly efficient scoring SF than Isiah was.

In a similar way Isiah was a way better point guard.

[FirstTimer]

Well here's the thing....

Carmelo is way better at being a highly efficient scoring SF than Isiah was.

In a similar way Isiah was a way better point guard.

I guess? ha

[Senser81]

Some ridiculousness. I don't know how it all started but essentially the argument was being made that based on this and these and these basketball sabre stats you could show Carmelo>Zeke

http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/c...anthony-2.html

The problem was that Lefty consciously chose to ignore the one statistic in which Thomas had a big edge over Carmelo...assists. Yet another WTF moment produced by Lefty's statistical "analysis".

[FedEx227]

Where as every baseball player offensively has the exact same goal and pretty much a similar way to achieve said goal. Yeah, you have guys that don't hit home runs, some that hit triples, etc. Essentially though the goal is not to make an out or to score runs (whichever "school" you belong to).

Basketball is not that way at all. What Isiah does on the court is completely different than Carmelo. From how many times they have possessions, where they stand, what they do with the ball, etc. You just can't measure them the same. It's not fair to either party. They both contribute in their own way to their teams success, but not in anyway that's even remotely comparable.

[FirstTimer]

Where as every baseball player offensively has the exact same goal and pretty much a similar way to achieve said goal. Yeah, you have guys that don't hit home runs, some that hit triples, etc. Essentially though the goal is not to make an out or to score runs (whichever "school" you belong to).

Basketball is not that way at all. What Isiah does on the court is completely different than Carmelo. From how many times they have possessions, where they stand, what they do with the ball, etc. You just can't measure them the same. It's not fair to either party. They both contribute in their own way to their teams success, but not in anyway that's even remotely comparable.

Does the disagreement with you and Lefty keep things spicy in the bedroom?

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

When that cockface from FootballOutsiders was on NFL network It upset me as much as any game did that season.

I really wish there was a way to burn a website down.

[Senser81]

When that cockface from FootballOutsiders was on NFL network It upset me as much as any game did that season.

I really wish there was a way to burn a website down.

yeah, I've never really understood how they became so relatively 'mainstream'. Basically what they do is comprise some wacky formula which shows something 'unconventional', such as Bert Jones having the best QB season ever, predicting the Rams to go 9-7 in 2009, or Reggie Rucker being the 33rd best WR in history...and then pass it off as "I bet you didn't know this!", as if its factual information or something.

[FedEx227]

Does the disagreement with you and Lefty keep things spicy in the bedroom?

I have yet to sleep with Lefty.

He's kind of a prude.

[Warner2BruceTD]

I just read through that Carmelo/Thomas debacle of a thread. Wow. Just wow.

Thomas played on a team where nobody cared about statictics or who scored. Thomas probably couldn't tell you what his scoring average was in 1988, or who led the Pistons in scoring in any given year during his career, let alone where his "PER" stacked up. He was the unquestioned leader of a team that had to fight tooth and nail with the vinatge Celtics, Jordan's Bulls, and Magic's Lakeshow to win two titles, and did it on a cranky ankle and with the worst supporting cast in terms of HOF players and all stars. He made big shot after big shot, played tremendous defense, and wasn't afraid to smack you in the mouth to win.

Carmelo Anthony is a guy who scores a lot of points on a soft team that gets bounced in the first round every year. He's a good player. There isn't a GM in the history of basketball who would start a team with Carmelo over Thomas. There isn't a stat that can sway me.