If Auburn Sits Cam Newton, WTF?

[1ke]

I thought I heard somewhere that even if Cam's father asked, and Cam DID NOT know, it is still a recruiting violation and Cam is STILL responsible. Heard it on the radio last week, ill search to find a better source, but Im pretty sure thats the rule.

[FirstTimer]

I thought I heard somewhere that even if Cam's father asked, and Cam DID NOT know, it is still a recruiting violation and Cam is STILL responsible. Heard it on the radio last week, ill search to find a better source, but Im pretty sure thats the rule.

I'm not saying that it isn't. Which is why I asked the question. I wasn't sure. But if it is a rule it's a retarded one.....I'd then like to know the possible penalties for it. It would seem to me that unless they knew Cam/Auburn knew about the activity or was complicit in it that they can't really take much harsh action against them. Then again this is the NCAA...where nothing makes sense.

[EmpireWF]

I'm not saying that it isn't. Which is why I asked the question. I wasn't sure. But if it is a rule it's a retarded one.....I'd then like to know the possible penalties for it. It would seem to me that unless they knew Cam/Auburn knew about the activity or was complicit in it that they can't really take much harsh action against them. Then again this is the NCAA...where nothing makes sense.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/12/sports/ncaafootball/12auburn.html

“The solicitation of cash or benefits by either a potential student-athlete or another person on their behalf is not allowed under N.C.A.A. rules,” Stacey Osburn, an N.C.A.A. spokeswoman, said Thursday. She was speaking about N.C.A.A. rules and not specifically about Newton.

Asked what the punishment would be in those cases, Osburn said: “That would depend on the specifics of the situation. It would be like any other rules violation. It would depend on the level of responsibility of either the student-athlete or the university as well as the scope of the violations. We look at a number of factors for all of our rules violations.”

If the N.C.A.A. provides Auburn with evidence that Newton or his father broke rules, Auburn would have to decide Newton’s fate.

[1ke]

I agree...I cant find any text, it came up during the Dan Patrick show, and they referenced it. I dont like the rule at all, and with the way the NCAA works, we wont know shit for a year.

Edit: Text found.

[FirstTimer]

“The solicitation of cash or benefits by either a potential student-athlete or another person on their behalf is not allowed under N.C.A.A. rules,” Stacey Osburn, an N.C.A.A. spokeswoman, said Thursday. She was speaking about N.C.A.A. rules and not specifically about Newton.

Asked what the punishment would be in those cases, Osburn said: “That would depend on the specifics of the situation. It would be like any other rules violation. It would depend on the level of responsibility of either the student-athlete or the university as well as the scope of the violations. We look at a number of factors for all of our rules violations.”

If the N.C.A.A. provides Auburn with evidence that Newton or his father broke rules, Auburn would have to decide Newton’s fate.

That's where the rule gets interesting.

Was Newton/Auburn aware of it? Was it on Newton's behalf? Was his dad acting independently? Like I said. it's retarded that Newton be held responsible for something that (pending an investigation) he may have had no control over or even been aware of the actions of another adult party. If Newton did know or was active in it then yes punish the shit ou tof him and his dumb ass. If Newton's dad acted like an idiot and stopped because Newton told him to quit being a retard then I have a hard time buying the NCAA drops the hammer.

[shag773]

I agree...I cant find any text, it came up during the Dan Patrick show, and they referenced it. I dont like the rule at all, and with the way the NCAA works, we wont know shit for a year.

Edit: Text found.

Who knows how long it will take, but it's a safe bet that it won't be before Auburn's bowl game. After that, he's NFL bound so what they would do to Newton is meaningless.

[mgoblue2290]

I think the NCAA should just stop pretending guys don't get paid or take money. Its like steroids in baseball.

[ralaw]

Everything that I've heard about Newton's father and this solicitation of funds from Mississippi State for his son to play football there is hearsay. Unless they have Newton on tape saying exactly what they're asserting or they have financial statements proving a large deposit I don't see how any of it can be proven.

If the payment was made I don’t see how Cam Newton could pretend to not notice his father who he’s obviously close with having an additional $180,000. In the end I believe there was some suspect activity going on with Newton and his father; however, this sort of thing also happens often….maybe Newton should have went to Mississippi State and none of this would have came out.

Newton and Auburn's defense in receiving improper benefits will be composed of Newton not knowing his father solicited funds, that Newton didn't attend the school his father solicited funds from and Newton never received funds to attend Auburn (assuming he did not). However, this defense wouldn’t be sufficient, because it would mean that any recruit's family would be free to solicit funds from schools that were recruiting their family member so long as the family claimed the recruit was unaware of it. This defense is doomed is to fail for obvious reasons. These athletes have to understand that they’re responsible for the actions of those around them.

[EmpireWF]

Newton and Auburn's defense in receiving improper benefits will be composed of Newton not knowing his father solicited funds, that Newton didn't attend the school his father solicited funds from and Newton never received funds to attend Auburn (assuming he did not). However, this defense wouldn’t be sufficient, because it would mean that any recruit's family would be free to solicit funds from schools that were recruiting their family member so long as the family claimed the recruit was unaware of it. This defense is doomed is to fail for obvious reasons. These athletes have to understand that they’re responsible for the actions of those around them.

bingo, been explaining that to ol FTer

[NAHSTE]

I think the NCAA should just stop pretending guys don't get paid or take money. Its like steroids in baseball.

How is punishing every offense anything like how steroids were treated in baseball?

The only stupid thing is that the players get off scott free and go on to do whatever they want at the professional level. Meanwhile, the incoming freshmen get 5 years of no bowl games and the coaching staff loses scholarships.

It'd be cool if the NFL finally follows through with its proposal to help the NCAA in enforcing this.

If the NFL helped out with going after the agents, and installing stiffer penalties for individual offenders, and the NCAA actually started paying athletes $7 an hour, this kind of bull shit will happen less frequently, and would be more justifiably punished.

[ralaw]

Report: Source says Cecil Newton admits he discussed money with ex-Mississippi State player, but son didn't know

Cam Newton's father has admitted he discussed money with an ex-Mississippi State football player for his son to play at the school, but neither his son nor his wife new about it, WSB-TV in Atlanta quoted a source as saying Friday night. The story by Mark Winne also said Cecil Newton Sr. said Auburn did not know of the discussion of money.


Mississippi State Athletics Director Scott Stricklin issued a statement tonight that said someone had asked for money for a "student-athlete" to play at the school, but the request was denied.


The WSB report said Cecil Newton Sr. has admitted having conversations with an ex-Mississippi State player about the possibility of obtaining money if Cam Newton signed to play football at Mississippi State. The WSB report said Cecil Newton steadfastly maintained that no money ever changed hands. Cecil Newton said his son's hands are clean, and has made it clear that Cam Newton and his mother knew nothing about the money discussions, nor did Auburn.


Winne said the source acknowledged sympathies toward the Newtons. The source said the player and both parents have demonstrated a willingness to cooperate with the NCAA.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/11/report_source_says_cecil_newto.html

[EmpireWF]

Read between the lines, sounds like Cecil is trying to take all the blame.

The question now is, if he asked for money from MSU and got rebuffed, why did he then lead his son to Auburn?

[Chrispy]

Maybe Cam wanted to go to Auburn

[FirstTimer]

Everything that I've heard about Newton's father and this solicitation of funds from Mississippi State for his son to play football there is hearsay. Unless they have Newton on tape saying exactly what they're asserting or they have financial statements proving a large deposit I don't see how any of it can be proven.

If the payment was made I don’t see how Cam Newton could pretend to not notice his father who he’s obviously close with having an additional $180,000. In the end I believe there was some suspect activity going on with Newton and his father; however, this sort of thing also happens often….maybe Newton should have went to Mississippi State and none of this would have came out.

Newton and Auburn's defense in receiving improper benefits will be composed of Newton not knowing his father solicited funds, that Newton didn't attend the school his father solicited funds from and Newton never received funds to attend Auburn (assuming he did not). However, this defense wouldn’t be sufficient, because it would mean that any recruit's family would be free to solicit funds from schools that were recruiting their family member so long as the family claimed the recruit was unaware of it. This defense is doomed is to fail for obvious reasons. These athletes have to understand that they’re responsible for the actions of those around them.

Agree, but that wouldn't stop Cam's dad from requesting it without his permission or knowledge.

I agree that the players need to have some semblence of awareness of what's going on around them but for them to have to take full responsibility for other adults actions is asinine. Reggie Bush is one thing..but other adults making their own decisions trying to grease the wheels behind the players back does happen as KP pointed out and to punish the player for that doesn't make any sense.

[ralaw]

Agree, but that wouldn't stop Cam's dad from requesting it without his permission or knowledge.

I agree that the players need to have some semblence of awareness of what's going on around them for them to have to take full responsibility for other adults actions is asinine. Reggie Bush is one thing..but other adults making their own decisions trying to grease the wheels behind the players back does happen as KP pointed out and to punish the player for that doesn't make any sense.

I actually agree with you, but don't see any other way to handle it, because every similar situation would inevitably turn into a "I didn't know" defense, which has it’s obvious issues. I think the NCAA is just setting the bar high in hopes of avoiding such situations all together, because they realisically can't punish the family, but they can punish the athlete and school.