Least and Most Burned Cornerbacks

[Senser81]

Likewise, guys like Carr, Routt, and Cromartie are their team's second best CBs. Perhaps they make the list because they are covering less talented wide receivers or balls are forced their way because there is no way they're throwing at some of the league's true top CBs.

Yeah, its like using wins and losses with pitchers. Its easier to get wins if you are facing the other team's fifth starter instead of their #1 guy. Similarly, I would guess its easier to cover Kevin Walter than Andre Johnson.

I think also a team's scheme has a lot to do with it. McFadden gets isolated a lot when the Steelers free-lance on defense. It kind of reminds me of the 46 defense, when it was said that the weakness was CBs Mike Richardson and Leslie Frazier, but that scheme dictated that Richardson and Frazier would almost always be in 1-on-1 coverage.

[Saluki]

Damn son. Burned 70% of the time? Somebody please give that man some ssaftey help or something

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Yeah, its like using wins and losses with pitchers. Its easier to get wins if you are facing the other team's fifth starter instead of their #1 guy. Similarly, I would guess its easier to cover Kevin Walter than Andre Johnson.

I think also a team's scheme has a lot to do with it. McFadden gets isolated a lot when the Steelers free-lance on defense. It kind of reminds me of the 46 defense, when it was said that the weakness was CBs Mike Richardson and Leslie Frazier, but that scheme dictated that Richardson and Frazier would almost always be in 1-on-1 coverage.

The Steelers are running the zone blitz and cover 2, 50% of the time respectively. Half the time they are giving safety help over the top, the other half of the time it's a zone blitz that allows the corners to cover a zone, not 1-on-1.

McFadden sucks ass. Ike Taylor isn't nearly as bad, and he faces the same problems, because the Steelers don't play man. The Steelers zone blitz schemes try to force teams to attack specific points of the field, by creating 'soft zones' or areas that aren't being covered by two people. Usually Polamalu will be lurking here. Otherwise the Steelers try to create zones that are covered by two-three players. So I don't know where you get this 1-on-1 crap from.

[Aso]

Are you saying the Steelers are never in 1 on 1 man coverage with cover 1 or 0?

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Are you saying the Steelers are never in 1 on 1 man coverage with cover 1 or 0?

No. I'm saying the schemes they run are zone coverages mainly (about 50%), then 'Cover 2' (near 50%), with a small percentage of 'cover 1-0'. That's just not how they scheme it. So no, I wouldn't blame McFadden's suckyness on being a scheme 1-on-1 problem. It's a McFadden problem.

[Rayman]

Are you saying the Steelers are never in 1 on 1 man coverage with cover 1 or 0?

I'd be shocked if they ever do 1 or 0...just doesn't seem to fit their skillset.

Maybe once in a blue moon to throw a QB off...

[Aso]

I'd be shocked if they ever do 1 or 0

I have seen them a few times. I just wasn't sure if that was the regular or if that was just a few special plays I had seen.

[Point Blank]

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

He's the guy on madden with like 99 spd 99 acc 80 cth and 10 awr right?

[NAHSTE]

DeAngelol is the most surprising here IMO. I knew he wasn't that good, but he is outright bad![/B] 70.7% burn rate, gave up 1,055 yards and 9 TDs last year. Targetted 99 times and only defended 16 of those passes? It's even more shocking that I've seen him on a Top-10 CB list recently.

I remember my first year of watching football.

[Point Blank]

He's the guy on madden with like 99 spd 99 acc 80 cth and 10 awr right?

[Senser81]

The Steelers are running the zone blitz and cover 2, 50% of the time respectively. Half the time they are giving safety help over the top, the other half of the time it's a zone blitz that allows the corners to cover a zone, not 1-on-1.

Is this Yogi Berra math? They allegedly run 2 schemes 50% of the time, yet half the time they are giving safety help over the top and the other half of the time its a zone blitz?

McFadden gets isolated when Polamalu is allowed to play robber and/or Woodley is allowed to rush the edge. And if he's playing a zone where his help is coming from a FS on the other half of the field, an ILB like James Farrior, or a DE trying to drop into the flat, then do you blame McFadden for giving up such a high percentage of completions? McFadden has average athletic ability but he's a good tackler. Thats great for Pittsburgh's scheme, because its designed to make big plays and sack the QB.

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Is this Yogi Berra math? They allegedly run 2 schemes 50% of the time, yet half the time they are giving safety help over the top and the other half of the time its a zone blitz?

The Steelers are running the zone blitz and cover 2, 50% of the time respectively.

<- This means it's 50/50 between the two. You're just not reading it correctly. (respectively is the key adjective.)

In a later post I corrected myself and said it's more Zone Blitz than cover 2, but not by a whole lot. More like a 50/40 split, with a sprinkling of cover 0-1's.

McFadden gets isolated when Polamalu is allowed to play robber and/or Woodley is allowed to rush the edge.

Your understanding of cover 2 is very limited obviously. It seems that you think safeties are the only players who can play deep 1/2 or 'cover 2' however you want to say it.

When Troy "plays robber" a cornerback almost always drops into the deep 1/2 zone, unless it's Timmons. When troy doesn't come up to play robber he's either covering the deep 1/2 or he's covering one of the soft-squat zones. Often times McFadden is the CB that transition back into deep 1/2 responsibility, since Ike is the one who's more than likely going to hang on and cover his WR better. This isn't isolation. McFadden becomes the deep help for anybody covering what's called the soft-squat zone. Unless McFadden himself is in the soft-squat zone, in which case he has help almost all of the time.

And if he's playing a zone where his help is coming from a FS on the other half of the field, an ILB like James Farrior, or a DE trying to drop into the flat, then do you blame McFadden for giving up such a high percentage of completions? McFadden has average athletic ability but he's a good tackler. Thats great for Pittsburgh's scheme, because its designed to make big plays and sack the QB.

So you're saying that McFadden shouldn't be held responsible for allowing completions when he has help?

And you're talking about a linebacker corpse that was pretty damn good in pass coverage. Woodley- 5 PDs, 2 INTs, Harrison- 5 PDs 2 INTs, Farrior 5 PDs, and Timmons- 9 PDs 2 INTs. The help he's getting is there, he just sucks in pass coverage, and I don't know where you're getting the idea that he's ever isolated. He's rarely if ever isolated. He's always got help over the top, or by sharing an overlapped zone with another player.

In zone, he's got help. In cover 2 he is either the help over top or he has help over top. What don't you understand about this?

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Here is a very very basic article explaining the Steelers 'cover 2' scheme a little bit while blitzing. It's actually an article written on the blitz scheme. But it's very basic mind you, and it shows two combinations of cover 2. Again, very simple concept, and the diagrams are easy to understand, so it should be easy enough to understand for a simpleton like Senser.


Found on blitzology.blogspot.com

http://blitzology.blogspot.com/2010/12/blitz-of-week-12.html

Monday, December 13, 2010
Blitz of the Week #12
The welcome back Blitz of the Week is actually 2 blitzes. Both are 5 man "Dogs" from the Pittsburgh Steelers arsenal. Both also utilize Cover 2 as the coverage concept behind them. The first was used by the Steelers two weeks ago in the big showdown with the Ravens.



The concept is a modified version of the tradional NCAA blitz.

* Non-Blitzing Linebackers - Vertical Hook (VH), matching vertical and inside releases
* Corners - Soft Squat
* Safeties- Deep 1/2

Video of this pressure can be seen here. Based on the eyes of the Nose (#96), I think he has a spy technique on the back releasing on screen.

The 2nd Cover 2 in this post was used by the Steelers against the Bengals this week.



The pressure concept is very similar to #1 but without the long stick.

* Left DE (or OLB depending on how you classify him) - Stand up 3 tech, drop Vertical Hook
* Tackle - 3 technique, working weak to balance the pass rush
* Non-Blitzing Backer - Sugared alignment near LOS over the Nose, drop Vertical Hook
* Down Safety - Curl-Flat (acts like a soft squat corner)
* Deep Safety and Weak Corner - Deep 1/2
* Strong Corner - Soft Squat

Video of this pressure is available here.

The coverage behind both pressures is almost man under 2 deep in nature. In both pressures it appears the DL (#96) that is looping away from the pressure to balance the pass rush also has his eyes on the RB as a weak side spy.

This was just two combinations of the steelers 'cover 2'. Very simple. Very easy to understand. But you can see how there could be a ton of different combinations of cover 2, just as long as you have any 2 players in deep 1/2 responsibility. The beauty of this defense is QB's don't know what coverage combination, zone combination, blitz combination, or if it will be a cover 2 or zone blitz scheme coming next.

I posted this for you Senser, to show you that even if Troy Polamalu were to leave the cover 2 or deep 1/2 responsibility, that doesn't mean the Steelers aren't in cover 2. This also does not mean McFadden is isolated.

[Aso]

Here is the 09 game of Steelers vs Packers from more of an aerial angle showing each play twice.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBpNJbgbfAA[/ame]

All of the parts are in there


The first few plays do look like cover 1