Tom Brady best QB in the NFL

[ThunderHorse]

I don't think you understand...

its pointless because its the same both ways by your logic, even if I don't agree...

Indianapolis receivers left at older ages as you say, despite Pathon leaving after I want to say 3 or 4 years, I don't remember, anyway, he left, and Pollard left at an old age, and they dropped off because they were older in your opinion.

maybe that doesn't apply with Pathon, but it does with Pollard, Stokely had his one great season, and ever since his seasons have been average, just like his last season where he actually played with indianapolis, he was hurt the year after.

the example with brady is Deion Branch, who left and is virutally doing the same thing he was with NE.

I mean, by your logic it makes them both seemingly the same in that argument.

thats why its pointless... not because "I can't debate with you"

[celtsxpatsxsox]

I don't think you understand...

its pointless because its the same both ways by your logic, even if I don't agree...

Indianapolis receivers left at older ages as you say, despite Pathon leaving after I want to say 3 or 4 years, I don't remember, anyway, he left, and Pollard left at an old age, and they dropped off because they were older in your opinion.

maybe that doesn't apply with Pathon, but it does with Pollard, Stokely had his one great season, and ever since his seasons have been average, just like his last season where he actually played with indianapolis, he was hurt the year after.

the example with brady is Deion Branch, who left and is virutally doing the same thing he was with NE.

I mean, by your logic it makes them both seemingly the same in that argument.

thats why its pointless... not because "I can't debate with you"

When did I say you couldnt debate with me? I am giving straight facts of Indy receivers having an identical season stat wise from the last year in Indy to there first year with a new team. You cant say just becasue someone got injured that were gonna have a great season. Thats like saying a baseball player ges injured in the first game and hits a homerun and someone saying he wouldve been on pace to hit 162. How many times does a player in the NFL have a great first couple of weeks and die off? Happens quite often.So until Deion Branch, who is still riding his superbowl MVP, is healthy which he has proved he can never be healthy even with the pats to see how he can perform.

[Nukleopatra]

''This is pointless.''

Yet he continues on with even more pointless bullshit.

I could go on, but people like this new fuck nuckleowhatever will put words in your mouth which you never said.

You could? You haven't even shut the fuck up yet.

You should design your own T-Shirts, and put ''this is pointless'' on the front.

[ThunderHorse]

''This is pointless.''

Yet he continues on with even more pointless bullshit.



You could? You haven't even shut the fuck up yet.

You should design your own T-Shirts, and put ''this is pointless'' on the front.

lol,

oh you mad!?

my bad, I'll just excuse myself from the thread... lmfao

[kyhadley]

last I checked a defense can't lead a 2 minute drive to win the superbowl


and also, Brady does not throw screen passes the majority of the time, or even close to, and if he did, it wouldn't be successful. The Colts seem to throw just as many as the Pats (not this most recent season though with Cassel)

[celtsxpatsxsox]

http://www.vsngaming.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10794 there ya go ACIM

[Rush]

Spygate or not.

To go out and EXECUTE...is amazing. 50 TD's passing against NFL competition.

I know he's the best in the NFL. You don't even have to argue. He's a douche tho....great QB.

[jags224]

he has it good, has rings, won the mvp, best qb in the nfl and off the field well

[Gonzo]

Spygate or not.

To go out and EXECUTE...is amazing. 50 TD's passing against NFL competition.

I know he's the best in the NFL. You don't even have to argue. He's a douche tho....great QB.

I refer you a couple of pages back to Deviant's post.

[celtsxpatsxsox]

I refer you a couple of pages back to Deviant's post.

Cause Deviant typed out a very good summary doesnt mean he is right.

[Gonzo]

Cause Deviant typed out a very good summary doesnt mean he is right.

This is the internetz. Everyone is right, get over yourself Boston fan.

[celtsxpatsxsox]

This is the internetz. Everyone is right, get over yourself Boston fan.

hmmmm ok......

[celtsxpatsxsox]

Ok, I've been a colts fan for about 10 years, so I've been privileged with the opportunity to watch Peyton have great years but never make it to a super bowl until a few years ago. On the other hand, I have seen Brady win 3 rings. One was off a last second kick, sure, but who lead them down the field to set up the kick. One was off a controversial ruling on a replay, and this is a very credible argument. If you like Brady, you'll say it wasn't a fumble. If you don't like him, you'll say it's a fumble, and that he only has two legitimate rings. It doesn't matter. All that matters is what has happened and what has been entered into the history books. And that's that Tom Brady has 3 super bowl wins and Peyton Manning has one.

But...Does having more championships automatically make you better? You might be able to win 5 super bowls if you have a shitty quarterback if your running game is absolutely dominating and you have some of the best receivers in the game. On the other hand, you might win none with that same team. It all depends. Dan Marino is considered by many to be the best QB to ever play the game. He had zero Super Bowl wins. Does that mean Rich Gannon is better than Marino? I know that's a bad comparison, but that's what some people base their decision on. A super bowl win. It's an important thing, don't get me wrong. But you just can't say that having more rings automatically makes you better. Statistically, Tom Brady has won more playoff games than Peyton Manning, and this is because he is a good QB. But Peyton is also a good QB. It all depends on what team your are playing.

But that brings me to another point. You can't just play the 'what if' game all day, because it NEVER HAPPENED. What if Dan Marino HAD won a super bowl? What if Tom Brady didn't have a great defense to help him win games? What if Peyton Manning had the receivers Tom Brady did, would he have the same level of sucess? It just doesn't work, and it won't end any arguments.

I don't really know where I'm going with this, except that in my mind, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are obviously hall of fame QBs, and being a Colts fan, it's hard for me to say that Brady is better than Manning, and it's a debate that will probably still be alive 50 years from now. To me, they are equal. I know that sounds weird, but there's certain qualities I would favor from each QB. Tom Brady has more big-game wins, so one could argue he plays better under pressure. Peyton Manning brought a struggling team in the beginning of the year to a 12-4 record, winning the MVP award.

I understand it's human nature to root for the QB that runs your team's offense, but at least we can all agree they are both good QB's. It's an opinion on who is better, and 99.9 percent of Patriots fans will say Brady is better, and the same is true for Colts fans favoring Manning.

SO yeah, this post didn't really have a main point that I wanted to convey, but there's my two cents.

I have said a lot of things you have said in previous posts but a few people havent seemed to grasp them yet. Like I have said I would take either one on my team in a heartbeat but I would go with Brady because he is the QB of my team just like Colts' fans should think Manning is better.

[celtsxpatsxsox]

lol at being the only one groaned at in this entire thread

maybe because your post didnt have to do with the topic of the thread. You started talking about spygate and the patriots not making the playoffs when the topic was to discuss Tom Brady not spygate or them losing the division without Tom Brady.

[celtsxpatsxsox]

im pretty sure i mentioned brady in both of them

but they were irrelevent to the topic of Brady being the best QB. Them not making the playoffs this year doesnt seem on topic of brady being the best.