It doesn’t pay to play Division I ball

[spiker]

Notre Dame schedules each players activities on a daily basis. It's very detailed. Their schedules run from about 7am to 10pm. I personally saw an itinerary for this season's preseason all the way up until the USF game. The gameday TV schedules are insanely regimented down to the minute. It's like "National Anthem - 3:03pm, Flyover - 3:04pm" etc.

[FedEx227]

Trust me, I don't think they should be openly paid either, I'm more for the free market, do whatever the fuck they want system.

[FirstTimer]

You can't openly pay college athletes in money making sports.

Title IX laws will put the kibosh on that quickly.

Secondly, the excuse of "...they get a free education that is worth upwards of 40K-50K per year..." The high end of that number comprises of maybe...2% of athletes. Unless you are going to a high end private school, your tuition bill per year isn't touching 50K. University of Miami? Sure. FIU? The bill is...3K-5K a year? University of Florida...5K-6K? Most in-state institutions, where most schools get a majority of their student-athletes do not come close to these mythical high end figures they "make" for going to that institution.

Not true at all(at least around here). Even a school like NIU, IU, etc the tuitions right now are far and above 15K a year. When I was at NIU about 8 years ago tuition, room &board all rolled in was around 15-17K a year. IU right now is near 30k a year I think, but I'd have to double check that.

UofI: http://admissions.illinois.edu/cost/..._freshman.html
NIU: http://www.niu.edu/bursar/tuition/estimator.shtml

NIU I chose the bargain basement options and still you're at 21-22k a year.(15 credit hrs a semester, cheapest dorm, cheapest meal plan etc.) I tried to estimate book costs based on what I paid when I was there.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Not true at all(at least around here). Even a school like NIU, IU, etc the tuitions right now are far and above 15K a year. When I was at NIU about 8 years ago tuition, room &board all rolled in was around 15-17K a year. IU right now is near 30k a year I think, but I'd have to double check that.

National Average for Public University Tuition is ~9K.
National Average for a Private University Tuition is ~35K.

Give or take a few on those numbers, as they might be old.

Couple then, financial aid a student would receive at said University and the number decreases.

Those numbers, where people talk about 50K/yr and 200K/4yr...those are at such the extreme high end and a majority of those are at institutions like the University of Miami, Stanford, Notre Dame, etc. Really high end costs at private Universities. However, most D1A schools aren't that, they are public Universities where in-state tuition is rather low.

Regardless, student-athletes receiving a scholarship and monetary stipends for supplies, room, and board and giving them training in their field by million dollar staffs already lifts the veil of amateurism in the first place.

[FirstTimer]

National Average for Public University Tuition is ~9K.
National Average for a Private University Tuition is ~35K.

How many of these are D-1A football schools?

Regardless, student-athletes receiving a scholarship and monetary stipends for supplies, room, and board and giving them training in their field by million dollar staffs already lifts the veil of amateurism in the first place.

Valid point but that horse left the gate a while ago.

In the end though I agree with your initial remark that TitleIX/law suits in general would kill paying student athlete's based on what each sport brings in because what at least 80% of college teams would be forced to fold up if they weren't getting the funding from the money brought in by mens BB and FB?

[kmanharris]

Trust me, I don't think they should be openly paid either, I'm more for the free market, do whatever the fuck they want system.

Yea because this will end so well.

By opening up student-athletes to getting whatever boosters are willing to give them will cause a whole different set of problems. Once that happens, the NCAA will NEVER be able to reel it back in and get it under control.

It is an incredibly slippery slope and one that should be avoided.

[Primetime]

Have to look at it as 5 years of free shit too. Most of these players have at least one redshirt throughout college.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

How many of these are D-1A football schools?





Valid point but that horse left the gate a while ago.

In the end though I agree with your initial remark that TitleIX/law suits in general would kill paying student athlete's based on what each sport brings in because what at least 80% college teams would be forced to fold up if they weren't getting the funding from the money brought in by mens BB and FB?

That is the total for all.

My hypothesis would be that the number is very close.

Either way, it is missing the forest for the trees. Who cares how much the education is worth? It is ill structured in the first place. Benefits of said scholarship in one University aren't even...in-state v. out-of-state students receive different "benefits" due to IS and OOS tuition costs, so really, who cares?

[FedEx227]

Yea because this will end so well.

By opening up student-athletes to getting whatever boosters are willing to give them will cause a whole different set of problems. Once that happens, the NCAA will NEVER be able to reel it back in and get it under control.

It is an incredibly slippery slope and one that should be avoided.

Meh. It's already pretty much happening. The NCAA pretty much benefits as much as they possibly want with an athlete, even to the level of selling "#15" jerseys, television contracts, etc and the only return is education, room & board, t-shirts which doesn't even remotely add up to the amount of revenue the players generate. There's not another multibillion dollar organization in the world that operates that way.

Plus the NCAA will be a non-factor in the next 2-3 years regardless once the super-conferences get going.

[NAHSTE]

That's the student's fault/choice.

Still do not care.

Incorrect. Athletes in big programs have about as much say in their class schedule as AirMcNabb2k5 had as an MM mod. Which is to say they have none. They are all put in the same classes so they can be herded better. They all get the same BS tutors, etc. And that's not just the football and basketball players. Swimmers/divers, volleyball, track, softball, you name it. All herded into the same classes.

The NCAA is a sham, and college sports is broken for good if the conferences can make BILLIONS of dollars and then punish players for selling their own property for hundreds or thousands. To paraphrase the Atlantic article that Larry linked to, the athlete can't even sell his body because it's already been sold.

You don't think a system which relies on poor kids to work 80 hours a week to make rich people more money isn't even a little fucked up?

The free education part is nice, but you can't eat education.

By opening up student-athletes to getting whatever boosters are willing to give them will cause a whole different set of problems. Once that happens, the NCAA will NEVER be able to reel it back in and get it under control.

Yeah I would hate to see what happens when the NCAA loses control completely. Oh wait ...

[kmanharris]

Incorrect. Athletes in big programs have about as much say in their class schedule as AirMcNabb2k5 had as an MM mod. Which is to say they have none. They are all put in the same classes so they can be herded better. They all get the same BS tutors, etc.

The NCAA is a sham, and college sports is broken for good if the conferences can make BILLIONS of dollars and then punish players for selling their own property for hundreds or thousands.

To paraphrase the Atlantic article that Larry linked to, the athlete can't even sell his body because it's already been sold.

You don't think a system which relies on poor kids to work 80 hours a week to make rich people more money isn't even a little fucked up?

The free education part is nice, but you can't eat education.

For the record, if a player wants to sign something and sell it then go for it. I don't think that should be an issue at all. The issue is opening up the market for players to get whatever boosters are willing to give them.

And what do you mean by the bolded part? Because they don't get paid they won't be able to eat? What about the free meal plan that's included in their scholarship?

[FirstTimer]

Incorrect. Athletes in big programs have about as much say in their class schedule as AirMcNabb2k5 had as an MM mod. Which is to say they have none. They are all put in the same classes so they can be herded better. They all get the same BS tutors, etc. And that's not just the football and b

At what schools? Not my experience with players I've known at various schools like NIU, U of Ill, U of Iowa, Notre Dame, here in the midwest etc.

[FedEx227]

Also I think we're all intelligent enough these days to understand that college education $$$ do not translate into real money $$$. It's a horribly valued system, especially when as NASHTE and I have pointed out, most of these players are basically handed a schedule, times to do homework, tutors, etc.

They aren't even allowed to make the most of their supposed "free education". The valuations that everyone is throwing out may be what the college is charging, but it's not even remotely close to what the actual value of a college degree is these days.

[FirstTimer]

You don't think a system which relies on poor kids to work 80 hours a week to make rich people more money isn't even a little fucked up?

Keyword: Relies. Not forced.

Don't like it? Don't take the scholarship. Pay for school yourself. Get the education and walk on to the team.

I think anyone out there in the current job market can tell you how valuable a college education can be....even if it's a "C's get degrees" situation...even if they have help from tutors. Whatever. That degree is a chance to enter the job market and make money that they otherwise wouldn't have had the opprotunity to make because they couldn't have afforded to go to college.

Is the monetary scale out of balance? Sure. Then again it's out of balance everywhere, including the business world.

[NAHSTE]

At what schools? Not my experience with players I've known at various schools like NIU, U of Ill, U of Iowa, Notre Dame, here in the midwest etc.

I said big time programs. Nah but seriously, that was my experience at LSU and I read an SI article a few years ago about a former Missouri player who said the exact same thing. He tried to major in something and they were like "Nah."

Then he got hurt his junior year, didn't get his scholarship renewed and still had 18 credits to earn on a degree he didn't want. I don't think he graduated.

That last part is on him, sure. I personally would have stuck it out in the shit major and finished, and I'm sure you would say the same. But the part about not letting him choose a major and then not renewing his scholly is kind of fucked. Since these are 1-year contracts, I'd like for us to stop using the "4x20k=80k!" formula. There is no guarantee you collect the full scholarship. If you become expendable between signing the next 1-year binding agreement, oh well.

Don't like it? Don't take the scholarship. Pay for school yourself. Get the education and walk on to the team.

How would paying for school yourself make you feel better about the NCAA making billions off of you? That's stupid.