Vick Upset About the Lack of Calls

[FirstTimer]

Cutler's body language speaks volumes. When he gets hit or sacked, he sulks like a bitch. I've heard it from Bears fans themselves. I can understand he's frustrated, but a leader of a team doesn't mope around like a fag when he gets hit.

I liked your transvestite troll persona better.

[Rayman]

Really? Consecutive Pro Bowl selections for all three of these players would tell me they would be pretty close.

The popularity contest known as the Pro Bowl does not equate to being an All Pro, dipshit. Especially when both Adams and the were named as alternates in that same timespan.

Well he was in the Probowl for three straight years. Not bad for a slow footed waste huh?

Like I said, for a two year span, he was a hell of a lot better than he was in Arizona, but he didn't just magically turn into this "All-Pro" beast upon signing in Dallas and blocking for one of the best QBs and (at the time) one of the most ferocious runners in football.

If this was an argument about Leonard Davis being an all pro right now, this point would mean something.

It's one hell of a dropoff for a guy only two years removed from being this "All Pro" lineman to not even get a phone call from someone.

Which was 2 years before Romo became the starter. But I'm sure the rest of your argument will make more sense...

It does, because at that point he wasn't, nor was he ever, an "All Pro".

...and I was wrong. A top 5 tackle isn't an all pro calibur tackle? Shit, you have some lofty standards pal.

Well, at least you admit it.

I said Top 5 -ish, meaning he was in the conversation, in the same way that say, Eli Manning is in the Top 10 QB conversation but really isn't one of the 10 best.

And no, even if he was Top 5, that is not an "All Pro", as you claim.

Really? You mean they couldn't make a 40 year old Brad Johnson and a 38 year old John Kitna look good? Got me there bro.

If that line were truly made up of all these "All Pro's", as you call them, well, surely any QB they put back there would be adequately protected and as such, put up numbers at least in the ballpark of what Tony Romo was doing. Johnson may have been shot, but he could still make some throws and Kinna's really no different now than he was 4-5 years ago.

Drew Bledsoe's slow ass was getting destroyed by that "All Pro" group, part of the reason Romo took his job in the first place.

The only one "acting" like they know anything around here is you.

I'm not presuming to know Philly's line situation because I honestly don't know, nor do I care. But you better damn well know what you're talking about when you bring my team and QB into this conversation and it's clear to me you don't. There was never a group of "All Pro" linemen blocking for Tony Romo. No matter how many times you say it, it won't be true.

I don't need to "act", I've studied this team inside and out for the last 20 years. You? You're just throwing shit at the wall. Eventually something will stick.

[FirstTimer]

This is hilarious.

Rayman defending Romo at the comparison of Kitna and Brad Johnson is like BBIB on MM defending Vick and holding up the Falcons failing under Kurt Kittner as a comparison.

[Rayman]

This is hilarious.

Rayman defending Romo at the comparison of Kitna and Brad Johnson is like BBIB on MM defending Vick and holding up the Falcons failing under Kurt Kittner as a comparison.

Is there a better comparison to make? Did some other Pro Bowler sign to play QB in Dallas while I wasn't paying attention?

I know I'm being trolled, but shit.

[FirstTimer]

Is there a better comparison to make? Did some other Pro Bowler sign to play QB in Dallas while I wasn't paying attention?

I know I'm being trolled, but shit.

You should know better than to make any comparison in the first place..for obvious reasons.

[Rayman]

You should know better than to make any comparison in the first place..for obvious reasons.

Sorry, when people try to minimize what the guy has done by insinuating he's played behind some supposed brick wall, it pisses me the hell off. He's taken a pounding back there over the years.


Oh, yeah...

 

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[FirstTimer]

Sorry, when people try to minimize what the guy has done by insinuating he's played behind some supposed brick wall, it pisses me the hell off. He's taken a pounding back there over the years.

And you defend his beating with comparison's to Brad Johnson and John Kitna.

Fail.

Romo's line isn't nearly as bad as you are making it out to be. Was it a top 5 OL? No. Borderline top 10. IMO, yes.Top 10-15. Without a doubt.

I don't think shag is saying the Cowboys line was the l33t. But To ignore Romo played behind a pretty damn solid OL is laughable.

[shag773]

The popularity contest known as the Pro Bowl does not equate to being an All Pro, dipshit. Especially when both Adams and the were named as alternates in that same timespan.

Leonard Davis was a 2nd team all pro selection in 2007, Andre Gurode was a 1st team all pro in 2007, and a 2nd team all pro in 2009. Flozelle Adams was never named to an all pro team, but he went to 5 pro bowls, 3 under Romo, and a top 5ish (whatever the fuck that means) OT. Get your facts straight...dipshit.

Like I said, for a two year span, he was a hell of a lot better than he was in Arizona, but he didn't just magically turn into this "All-Pro" beast upon signing in Dallas and blocking for one of the best QBs and (at the time) one of the most ferocious runners in football.

You're right, he came from a team where he was blocking for Matt Lienart and the three headed monster rushing attack of Edgerrin James, JJ Arrington, and Marcel Shipp. Damn, I sure don't know why that didn't work out..

It's one hell of a dropoff for a guy only two years removed from being this "All Pro" lineman to not even get a phone call from someone.

Which once again, has nothing to do with with the years he was playing well.

It does, because at that point he wasn't, nor was he ever, an "All Pro".

Sorry, he was a 2nd team all pro. Boy do I feel dumb

I said Top 5 -ish, meaning he was in the conversation, in the same way that say, Eli Manning is in the Top 10 QB conversation but really isn't one of the 10 best.

Your comparison makes no sense. If you are saying he was in the conversation as a top five LT, it would be like saying Eli Manning is in the conversation as a top 5 QB. Which he's not. There are the same amount of LT's starting in the NFL as QB's right?

And no, even if he was Top 5, that is not an "All Pro", as you claim.

You're right, Adams was never an all pro. But he was closer to an all pro as opposed to being an over paid slob.

If that line were truly made up of all these "All Pro's", as you call them, well, surely any QB they put back there would be adequately protected and as such, put up numbers at least in the ballpark of what Tony Romo was doing. Johnson may have been shot, but he could still make some throws and Kinna's really no different now than he was 4-5 years ago.

My contention with you wasn't that the line made Tony Romo, it's your assertion that Romo made the line look way better than they were. Tony's a good QB, but you're trying to say he's been running for his life and making circus type plays to make up for the deficiencies in his OL. I'm sorry, thats bullshit.

Drew Bledsoe's slow ass was getting destroyed by that "All Pro" group, part of the reason Romo took his job in the first place.

The only guy from that group I mentioned that played more than 6 games in front of Bledsoe was Flozell Adams, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

I'm not presuming to know Philly's line situation because I honestly don't know, nor do I care. But you better damn well know what you're talking about when you bring my team and QB into this conversation and it's clear to me you don't. There was never a group of "All Pro" linemen blocking for Tony Romo. No matter how many times you say it, it won't be true.

I don't need to "act", I've studied this team inside and out for the last 20 years. You? You're just throwing shit at the wall. Eventually something will stick.

It's funny, but it took 5 minutes of research to surpass the 20 years of knowledge you collected as a Cowboys "fan". You pretty much fall into the same category of Cowboys fans that live miles outside of Dallas. But it's fun exposing you poser fucks every so often.

[FirstTimer]

Shag is Charlie Sheen all over this thread.

[Rayman]

Leonard Davis was a 2nd team all pro selection in 2007, Andre Gurode was a 1st team all pro in 2007, and a 2nd team all pro in 2009. Flozelle Adams was never named to an all pro team, but he went to 5 pro bowls, 3 under Romo, and a top 5ish (whatever the fuck that means) OT. Get your facts straight...dipshit.

Like I said, not an All Pro in the bunch, much less a line of All Pros.

You're right, he came from a team where he was blocking for Matt Lienart and the three headed monster rushing attack of Edgerrin James, JJ Arrington, and Marcel Shipp. Damn, I sure don't know why that didn't work out..

They did OK without him. Maybe (shocker) a good QB like Kurt Warner made a difference.

Which once again, has nothing to do with with the years he was playing well

. Why not?

Sorry, he was a 2nd team all pro. Boy do I feel dumb

Once. You said:

Before we start breaking out the violins for poor Tony Romo, for the majority of his career his line has been stocked with pro bowlers and all pros.

And you were wrong.

Your comparison makes no sense. If you are saying he was in the conversation as a top five LT, it would be like saying Eli Manning is in the conversation as a top 5 QB. Which he's not. There are the same amount of LT's starting in the NFL as QB's right?

Just trying to make a comparison. I would say Top 5 QB for Eli, but I don't think he's in that conversation. So that's why I said Top 10.

You're right, Adams was never an all pro. But he was closer to an all pro as opposed to being an over paid slob.

He was good at times. Hell, when he was on his game he could block anybody. Problem was he was madly inconsistent and (through no fault of his own) a false start machine.

My contention with you wasn't that the line made Tony Romo, it's your assertion that Romo made the line look way better than they were. Tony's a good QB, but you're trying to say he's been running for his life and making circus type plays to make up for the deficiencies in his OL. I'm sorry, thats bullshit.

How is that bullshit? Have you seen the plays this guy has had to make from the get-go? His mobility was a HUGE reason for his early success. He kept countless plays alive with his feet.

The only guy from that group I mentioned that played more than 6 games in front of Bledsoe was Flozell Adams, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Gurode, Adams, and Colombo did. 2006 was Kosier's first year with the team. And like I said ad nauseum, Davis's track record before coming to Dallas spoke for itself.

It's funny, but it took 5 minutes of research to surpass the 20 years of knowledge you collected as a Cowboys "fan". You pretty much fall into the same category of Cowboys fans that live miles outside of Dallas. But it's fun exposing you poser fucks every so often.

And here come the generalizations. I don't have to prove a damn thing to you. I've been here long enough.

[shag773]

Like I said, not an All Pro in the bunch, much less a line of All Pros.

I guess you glanced over the all pro selection of Andre Gurode in 2007. Jesus Christ dude, are you really that fucking dense?

They did OK without him. Maybe (shocker) a good QB like Kurt Warner made a difference.

Not sure what this has to do with his performance in Dallas.

Once. You said:
And you were wrong.

And you said he didn't have any all pros on his OL, which was also wrong. We'll call that a draw, which is a victory for you considering how this argument has gone for you so far.

Just trying to make a comparison. I would say Top 5 QB for Eli, but I don't think he's in that conversation. So that's why I said Top 10.

Considering your logic, I would just stop making comparisons all together. I'm not sure you understand the concept.

He was good at times. Hell, when he was on his game he could block anybody. Problem was he was madly inconsistent and (through no fault of his own) a false start machine.

You keep saying he was a false start machine. What the fuck does that have to do with Romo running for his life?

How is that bullshit? Have you seen the plays this guy has had to make from the get-go? His mobility was a HUGE reason for his early success. He kept countless plays alive with his feet.

He also ran himself into sacks early on by escaping the pocket too early and holding onto the ball too long.

Gurode, Adams, and Colombo did. 2006 was Kosier's first year with the team. And like I said ad nauseum, Davis's track record before coming to Dallas spoke for itself.

So your point is that group couldn't keep Bledsoe clean during that time. Okay. Then my question would be, name an OL group he played behind that did?

And here come the generalizations. I don't have to prove a damn thing to you. I've been here long enough.

Than stop posting. I'm starting to get this picture in my head when I think of our argument..



..and I'm sick and tired of smacking you around.

[cynismus]

[shag773]

Gotta love the New York Post

[Berowsk]

As much as I hate the New York Post, I gotta give them credit for their headlines. Some pretty funny stuff.

[Cornelius]

I liked your transvestite troll persona better.

I'm not Nuk, I put that up there because Mr. Bill insists on changing my shit. I was Madden4Life. You can groan me, but you can't completely disagree that Cutler's demeanor is that of a 10 year old pouting child.