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  • Maynard
    stupid ass titles
    • Feb 2009
    • 17876

    #61
    interesting....



    Harbaugh, Schwartz and the first-quarter play that started it all?
    By Chris Chase

    Jim Harbaugh says his much-discussed confrontation with Detroit Lions coach Jim Schwartz was due to an exuberant handshake. Schwartz claims he chased after the San Francisco 49ers coach because he didn't expect to get jostled nor be exposed to profanity during their postgame handshake.

    Though neither of the coaches said so in their postgame press conference, the brewing discontent may actually have started much earlier, during a strange first-quarter incident in which Harbaugh tried to challenge a touchdown he wasn't allowed to challenge. The 49ers coach threw the red flag to see if Detroit's Brandon Pettigrew(notes) had maintained possession of the ball in the end zone. (Replays suggested he had.) The problem was that Harbaugh couldn't ask for a review on the play because all touchdowns are automatically reviewed by the booth. When his challenge flag came out, Harbaugh was penalized 15 yards for an illegal challenge.
    That delighted Schwartz, who was caught by television cameras saying something like "know the rules" toward the 49ers bench.
    It was hardly the calm behavior of a man who would later be aghast at what he perceived was bad sportsmanship from Harbaugh.

    Watch the replay and decide for yourself. The incident begins at the 1:30 mark of this clip, but watch the whole thing for full context:



    Schwartz was pretty pleased with himself, stalking down the sidelines and reveling in Harbaugh's penalty. He definitely yells something toward the 49ers bench and possibly to Harbaugh himself.
    Much of the talk about the handshake controversy implores people to choose sides: Harbaugh should tone it down. Schwartz is a bad loser. Harbaugh was childish. No, Schwartz was.
    Why does it have to be black and white? Can't both men have acted immaturely? I tend to side with Harbaugh on this, not because he was right, but because Schwartz is a bit of a hypocrite. As we saw above, he delighted in Harbaugh's failed challenge and later acted like one obscenity pushed him over the edge, even though he dropped a profane word of his own after shaking hands with Harbaugh. And it's not like the Lions coach ever curses or shows too much enthusiasm after a victory. He's from the "do as I say, not as I do" school, I suppose.

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    • Villain
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      • May 2011
      • 7768

      #62


      Some other noteworthy incidents involving combustible coaches:

      Mike Ditka vs. Buddy Ryan: The 1985 Chicago Bears were among the greatest teams in NFL history, but things didn't always go so smoothly behind the scenes. Ditka, the head coach, and Ryan, the defensive coordinator, got into an argument at halftime of the Miami game — Chicago's only loss that season — about which player should be covering Dolphins receiver Nat Moore. The disagreement turned into a shouting match, with Ditka reportedly telling Ryan: "We can do it any way you want to. We can go right out back and get it on, or you can shape your [butt] up."

      Ryan vs. Kevin Gilbride: Ryan and Gilbride were the Houston Oilers' defensive and offensive coordinators, and didn't like each other. The feud came to a head Jan. 2, 1994, on the Oilers' sideline during a shutout of the New York Jets. Ryan, who derisively referred to Gilbride's run-and-shoot offense as the "chuck-and-duck," was angered when Houston's quarterback fumbled a snap and jeopardized the shutout. Ryan yelled at Gilbride, who started walking toward him. Ryan threw a punch, connecting with Gilbride's jaw. He later called Gilbride a "wimp" and said he should be "selling insurance."

      Tom Cable vs. Randy Hanson: Was Hanson punched? Was he flipped out of his chair? Depends on whom you ask. Either way, the diminutive Raiders assistant coach got into an altercation at training camp in 2009 with the hulking Cable, then Oakland's head coach, and wound up with a broken jaw. Hanson later filed a civil suit, saying Cable had to be restrained by other coaches and threatened to kill him.

      Eric Mangini vs. Bill Belichick: There was a lot of awkwardness and intrigue between New England Patriots Coach Belichick and Mangini, a former assistant who became coach of the New York Jets. Mangini was the perceived snitch in the "Spygate" scandal. The division rivals played each other twice a season, and each time a crowd of photographers gathered to shoot the postgame handshake, which ranged from an icy, no-look clutch to a bewildering man-hug. "It's like a bad marriage," Jets safety Victor Green explained. "There's animosity and tension."

      Ray Perkins vs. Ron Heller: Perkins was head coach of the fast-sinking Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 1987, and Heller was an offensive tackle. During halftime of a game against New Orleans, with the Bucs trailing, 28-10, Heller was imploring his teammates not to quit. Perkins misheard him, thinking Heller was instructing them to quit. The raging coach started throwing punches, and, although Heller didn't punch back, Perkins came out the worse — he broke his thumb on the lineman's helmet.

      Warren Sapp vs. Mike Sherman: Sapp was an All-Pro defensive tackle for Tampa Bay, and Sherman was Green Bay's coach. On an interception return, Sapp floored Packers tackle Chad Clifton with a blindside hit even though Clifton was out of the play. After the game, Sherman angrily confronted Sapp, who repeatedly challenged the coach to "put a jersey on!"

      Todd Haley vs. Josh McDaniels: Haley, coach of the Kansas City Chiefs, has an explosive temper and it detonated after a 49-29 loss at Denver last season. Feeling that McDaniels, then coach of the Broncos, had run up the score, Haley refused to shake hands with him after the game. Instead, he pointed his finger at him, turned and stormed away. TV cameras picked up Haley telling McDaniels, "There's a lot of … being talked about you." The next day, Haley apologized for refusing to shake hands.

      Sam Wyche vs. Jerry Glanville: After his Cincinnati Bengals stomped Glanville's Oilers, 61-7, in 1989, Wyche tried to chase down the Houston coach to rub it in a little more. Glanville scooted off the field before Wyche could get to him, though, so Wyche simply waved in his direction. "I don't like Jerry Glanville," Wyche said later. "I don't like phonies, and I don't think Jerry is a very genuine guy. The cheap shots they tried after our quarterback was down, their big mouths. Jerry tries coming up and talking to me before the game and when the cameras start rolling he puts his arm around you and smiles behind those dark glasses. When your football team is so talented and yet so undisciplined, you've got to be ready to be kicked and the score run up on you."

      Wyche vs. Cleveland: Not satisfied with merely picking a fight with another coach, Wyche comically insulted an entire city. During a 1989 game against Seattle, Wyche reacted to Bengals fans throwing snowballs and beer bottles onto the field to protest an official's call. Using the public-address microphone, Wyche chided the fans by telling them: "You don't live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!"
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