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  • Warner2BruceTD
    2011 Poster Of The Year
    • Mar 2009
    • 26142

    #31
    Originally posted by TimsGiants
    Lets not forget Giants fans sticking up for Spags. I dont understand how WTB can hate and blame the guy so much. Fact is injuries has decimated this team.
    I'll tell you why I blame him so much.

    This is Year #3 of the Spags regime. The team has not gotten any better since Year #1, when they went 1-15. No improvement in three years in unacceptable.

    Forget the 0-5 record. I can live with losses if there is progress. It's the way they lose. There is zero progress. They get blown out every week. There are no "moral victories", they simply get embarrassed week in, week out. Same dumb penalties, same drops, same sloppy play...

    You can blame the players if you want, and that's fine. But that's on Spags, too. He has roster control (why a first time head coach with no track record has so much power is beyond my understanding, but that's a different issue), and these are his players. There are roughly only a half dozen players remaining from the Linehan Rams. He picked these guys. His triad of ex-Giants bums (Fred Robbins, Craig Dahl, James Butler) who all stink, to washouts and failures like Jason Smith and Mike Sims-Walker, and FA failures like Ben Leber. The Rams have no talent, and that's on Spags.

    His game management is a flat out joke. He has no grasp of time management or how to use time outs. He gave up and quit against the Giants Week 2 by punting on a 4th down with over two minutes left and no timeouts in a two score game (which should have gotten him fired). Tom Coughlin promptly had Eli take three knees to end the game. On just about any 3rd and 10 or longer, the Rams go to the patented Spags "give up run", which he obviously is calling for because we all know Josh McDaniels is NOT conservative, and it was the same under Pat Shurmur. Three years is too long to still be lost on the sideline. The man simply doesn't get it, and likely never will.

    No talent, sloppy play, bad game management. What exactly does this guy bring to the table? Why shouldn't I be all over him? What has improved or gotten better since the Linehan era? Nothing.

    Scott Linehan was a joke who nobody thought was a good coach. Spags constantly gets a pass and for some odd reason never catches blame. Here are the facts, through 36 games:

    Linehan: 11-25
    Spags: 8-28 (now 8-29)

    Steve Spagnuolo is a nice man, but he's a terrible head coach and he needs to be fired. Let's face facts, if not for this play...



    ...Spags never snifs a head coach job, and is probably coaching DB's somewhere. His entire reputation was built on David Tyree making a circus catch.

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    • Aso
      The Serious House
      • Nov 2008
      • 11137

      #32
      Originally posted by NAHSTE
      This thread is a microcosm of why NFL discussion sucks here. Someone starts a thread about Sam Bradford, and we immediately get:

      - dave suggesting the Rams trade Bradford if they get the #1 pick
      - BigBucs randomly talking about Josh Freeman

      No thread in this subforum is complete without irrational opinions being brought forth by dave and irrational knobslobbing of Josh Freeman brought forth by BigBucs.
      I think we should just ban dave. He sucks.

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      • Deviant
        Yes, please.
        • Nov 2008
        • 2861

        #33
        As a Giants' fan, I think Spags should be fired too. Great coordinator, pretty awful head coach.


        Back at it, yet again. Sign up here!

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        • webbi
          Junior Member
          • Apr 2009
          • 564

          #34
          spags should go back to DC.. some coaches are better as coordinators.

          http://www.twitch.tv/webbi17

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          • Hasselbeck
            Jus' bout dat action boss
            • Feb 2009
            • 6175

            #35
            Originally posted by BigBucs
            And Hass is still a bitch Haters gonna hate. Did you really go outta your way to edit my post. A new level of bitchassness has reared its head.
            No it's called.. shut the fuck up about Josh Freeman because no one fucking cares. I let you have the first two posts, three is overkill.

            If this thread were a direct comparison of Freeman to Bradford then.. whatever.. aside from that, it's pointless and a clear attempt (weak attempt) to troll W2B.

            Now kindly
            Originally posted by ram29jackson
            I already said months ago that Seattle wasn't winning any SB

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            • s@ppisgod
              No longer a noob
              • Apr 2011
              • 1032

              #36
              Eh, you're pretty hard on Spags W2B. Fact is, his defense was very good for that 2nd half/playoff run, and held down that dynamic, record-breaking Pats offense for 4 quarters. His name was already being brought up in HC jobs, much like Rod Marinelli before he went to the Lions. Problem was, he wasn't any good at that job....like Marinelli. Spags became a hot coaching prospect before that catch.
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              • Prodigal Son
                The Greatest
                • Feb 2009
                • 2338

                #37
                Bradford is still the best QB in the NFC West. Rams should try to trade down, a lot of teams are going to be willing to mortgage their squad for Luck. Draft Blackmon to be your #1. Draft an o-line.

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                • Kuzzy Powers
                  Beautiful Like Moses
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 12542

                  #38
                  Originally posted by s@ppisgod
                  Eh, you're pretty hard on Spags W2B. Fact is, his defense was very good for that 2nd half/playoff run, and held down that dynamic, record-breaking Pats offense for 4 quarters. His name was already being brought up in HC jobs, much like Rod Marinelli before he went to the Lions. Problem was, he wasn't any good at that job....like Marinelli. Spags became a hot coaching prospect before that catch.
                  SAMSUNG-SGH-A887/A887UCIJ1 SHP/VPP/R5 NetFront/3.5 SMM-MMS/1.2.0 profile/MIDP-2.1 configuration/CLDC-1.1
                  Unfortunately all that doesnt make him any less of a terrible head coach, even if he was in line for a job before the SB run. Dude is fucking AWFUL as a head coach.

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                  • BigBucs
                    Unpretentious
                    • May 2009
                    • 12758

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Hasselbeck
                    No it's called.. shut the fuck up about Josh Freeman because no one fucking cares. I let you have the first two posts, three is overkill.

                    If this thread were a direct comparison of Freeman to Bradford then.. whatever.. aside from that, it's pointless and a clear attempt (weak attempt) to troll W2B.

                    Now kindly
                    Please shut the fuck up. @ I let you have your 1st two. Take your dumb ass over to OS if you wanna act like a bitch. And of course I was trolling W2B, tit for tat faggot. Go monitor some of his bullshit post when he is doing the same. Was simply too much realness in my post for you to deal with.

                    Raheem in his 3rd season hasnt hit a wall :smugrussell:

                    Freeman in his sophmore season didnt start off 0-5 :smugrussell:

                    Freeman wasnt taken with the 1st pick in the draft and is looking like some ass :smugrussell:

                    People say Freeman didnt have shit as far as weapons go last season but he still put up gawdy numbers :smugrussell:

                    Suck my dick faggot




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                    • Buzzman
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 6659

                      #40
                      I know St Louis didn't win the division but that sophmore slump that successful rookies go through is perfectly normal. It has happened countless times. Bradfords rookie year, they were 1-15 and got to play other last place teams, but once he put together wins against those shitty teams, he finished 2nd and now is playing a little bit tougher competition. I fully expect this to happen to the Lions next season with Stafford. We are going to overachieve this season and wind up with a lot tougher schedule and Stafford most likely wills struggle. That third and fourth year as a full time starter is the real grading point for a QB.

                      Roethlisberger is one of the rare exceptions to this rule, but he also had a dynamite defense with a stout rushing attack, where a lot of QBS succeed. Its exactly how Mark Sanchez has overachieved.

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                      • BigBucs
                        Unpretentious
                        • May 2009
                        • 12758

                        #41
                        Stafford will be fine. They are building around him and as long as he has CJ to throw too he will always put up respectable numbers as long as they can protect him, not to mention Best staying healthy. Bradford has a shit team with one weapon to hand the ball off too. Its going to take a couple of decent drafts for him to play to his full potential. Sanchez is ass and will never be a great QB




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                        • Buzzman
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 6659

                          #42
                          Stats don't equal success, ask Matt Shaub.

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                          • mcstl25
                            M-Castle
                            • Feb 2009
                            • 2434

                            #43
                            No offensive line, no wide receivers, and no cornerbacks.

                            /thread

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                            • BigBucs
                              Unpretentious
                              • May 2009
                              • 12758

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Buzzman
                              Stats don't equal success, ask Matt Shaub.
                              Agreed but Shaub isnt the one to blame.

                              Im simply saying he will be successful as a QB as long as he can stay upright. Him putting up good numbers will mean he is doing his part. Like I said before, they seem to be trying to build around him. They already have a potential ATG WR, a good young TE, a good young RB etc.... Not sure how great his OL are but Im positive they address whatever needs you may have in the upcoming draft in order to continue the progression of Stafford.

                              What the rest of the team brings to the table will ultimately determine the Lions overall success but Stafford isnt one to worry about for the reasons above. You all have shown to be building on the other side of the ball with the drafting of Suh and Fairley. The Lions being a decent team all of a sudden isnt by mistake or a fluke.

                              The Rams on the other hand has a long way to go. It could end up being Alex Smith or David Carr all over again.




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                              • Diivox
                                It's the other way.
                                • Apr 2009
                                • 1773

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Tailback U
                                I like Bradford and he has legitimate excuses but I still hold him to a higher standard than 0-5.

                                He's a nice player and the team is bad but the fact is that Tarvaris Jackson has twice as many TD passes, a much higher completion percentage, and a better QB rating than him.

                                Excuses only mean so much. Bradford should be playing better than he is right now and I expect him to.
                                this.

                                Maybe I'm just jaded after living in San Francisco for the first 6 years of the Alex Smith era. Year after year... "He's got no offense coordinator" "line is shit" "bad coaching" "no recievers" "wrong offense for him" etc etc...

                                This isn't just football, this is life. quality people outperform expectations. some of the greatest men in history overcame incredible difficulties to become those great men.

                                Bradford is nowhere near a competent quarterback yet and I haven't seen anything that tells me he will become a competent quarterback other than his draft position and contract. I'm not saying it will never come, I'm saying that no matter what you say about the rest of the team... he's a first overall pick and if you pay a man THAT much money, he should be making a difference and succeeding despite the negatives.

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