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  • NAHSTE
    Probably owns the site
    • Feb 2009
    • 22233

    Mark Emmert, three months ago: "We will never pay the athletes"

    Emmert, today: "We will barely pay the athletes."

    NCAA president Mark Emmert says he supports a proposal to allow conferences to increase grants to student athletes by $2,000, "to more closely approach" the full cost of attending college, beyond the athletic scholarships athletes receive for tuition, fee
  • Boucher
    King of EDM
    • Jul 2009
    • 3733

    #2
    2k thats the big leads thatll last a few months or a good night in the offseason...

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    • NAHSTE
      Probably owns the site
      • Feb 2009
      • 22233

      #3


      In stark contrast to the vague demands of the OWS movement, this is actually a really reasonable and viable proposal, but we'll see if it goes anywhere.

      We the undersigned student-athletes are hereby calling on the NCAA and college presidents to use a portion of the $775 million in new TV revenues to increase graduation rates, decrease NCAA violations, and provide basic protections. This would include:

      -Dividing a portion of new TV revenues evenly among FBS football players and Division I men's basketball players. This money would go into an educational lockbox (a trust fund) that we can receive if we abide by NCAA rules and graduate, or to pursue our undergraduate degree when our eligibility expires. This would increase our graduation rates and decrease violations.

      -Raising our scholarships equal to the cost of attendance so our schools can fully support our education—an average increase of approximately $3200/year per full scholarship athlete.

      -Allowing our schools the option to prioritize our education by providing multi-year scholarships.

      -Preventing permanently injured players from losing their scholarships.

      -Ensuring we are not stuck with sports-related medical expenses.

      These are some of the many solutions that can finally allow the NCAA to realize its mission to educate and protect us with integrity. Any Title IX requirements related to the above reforms can and should also be funded with new TV revenues. We endorse the NCPA's call for comprehensive reform to occur in October.

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      • ZoneBlitz
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        • Feb 2009
        • 1844

        #4
        College players should be allowed to make their own money in the free market, would be MUCH easier than having to pay them salary.

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        • Senser81
          VSN Poster of the Year
          • Feb 2009
          • 12804

          #5
          Originally posted by ZoneblitZ
          College players should be allowed to make their own money in the free market, would be MUCH easier than having to pay them salary.
          But that would be much harder to regulate. I don't think the NCAA is ready to give up total control yet.

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          • FirstTimer
            Freeman Error

            • Feb 2009
            • 18720

            #6
            We the undersigned student-athletes are hereby calling on the NCAA and college presidents to use a portion of the $775 million in new TV revenues to increase graduation rates, decrease NCAA violations,
            Nice. "Decrease" NCAA violations by basically making the NCAA violate it's old rules.



            -Dividing a portion of new TV revenues evenly among FBS football players and Division I men's basketball players.
            Can't wait for the feminists to get a hold of this one.

            This money would go into an educational lockbox




            -Allowing our schools the option to prioritize our education by providing multi-year scholarships.
            Agree. Scholarships, unless you violate the conditions of them, should be a four year committment from the school.

            -Preventing permanently injured players from losing their scholarships.
            Agree.

            -Ensuring we are not stuck with sports-related medical expenses.
            Agree.

            -Any Title IX requirements related to the above reforms can and should also be funded with new TV revenues.
            Love how this is just kind of thrown in at the end for the hell of it..because when it comes down to it Title IX is going to scream that all sports, especially women's sports, should get the same benefits..and TV funding won't cover all of that.

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            • FirstTimer
              Freeman Error

              • Feb 2009
              • 18720

              #7
              Michigan State quarterback Kirk Cousins appreciates the fact that his full-ride scholarship will save his parents more than $100,000. But like many college students, Cousins is forced to "count pennies" at the gas pump when money gets tight.

              Being a college athlete has become a year-round commitment that doesn't allow Cousins to find a part-time job to pay for his expenses. He finds irony in that whenever he stops at a particular campus gas station.
              Poor Kirk Cousins.

              Oh hey, Kirk. Your "job" is football. It's paying for school. Excuse if I don't weep for you not having $100k in debt when I write my bills at the end of the month and my wife and I are paying back her loans while you are counting pennies at the gas station, while only a few months from getting a contract with the NFL.

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              • FirstTimer
                Freeman Error

                • Feb 2009
                • 18720

                #8
                College athletes around the country soon will have more money in their pockets, beyond their scholarships. The NCAA Division I Board of Directors on Thursday approved a proposal that will allow conferences to increase scholarships by about $2,000 so that athletes can have spending money. Scholarships currently cover tuition, fees, room and board and books.

                NCAA President Mark Emmert stressed that the extra money is a stipend -- based on the limited opportunities college athletes have for jobs -- not a pay-for-play system.

                The full-cost scholarship proposal has both supporters and critics, and it raises concerns about whether it will create a larger divide between the haves and have-nots. Some question whether even all schools in BCS conferences can afford it, and what the trickle-down effect might be if the proposal is passed.

                Emmert and the proposal's supporters say the previous model was outdated and needed reform. Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany said studies show an average athlete spends more than $2,000 annually in personal expenses.

                "When we played, the scholarship was worth room, books, board, tuition, fees and $15 a month," said Barry Alvarez, the Wisconsin athletic director and former Badgers football coach. "Now that's back in the '60s. That $15 now is probably worth $100. To do something like that with players, I have no problem with that."

                How to pay?

                Gophers athletic director Joel Maturi admits he's conflicted by the issue. Initial projections suggested the policy change could cost his department around $650,000, but that figure could be less depending on how many athletes in nonrevenue sports qualify for the money.

                Maturi notes that some student-athletes are eligible for Pell Grants up to about $5,500 per year based on need. He also questions whether athletes who come from affluent families need additional money beyond the current scholarship.

                "I think some kids who are desperately in need, if that is going to help them get home once during the holidays, that doesn't bother me," he said this summer. "But if Joel Maturi's son is on full scholarship, there's no need for him to be up to the full cost of attendance because I can pay for the pizza and trip home. There's a difference there. I'm not for everybody getting the full cost of attendance."

                Gophers women's basketball coach Pam Borton also voiced concerns. She said she understands the financial landscape in college athletics has changed dramatically and needs adjustment. But she questions how that extra money will be used by athletes.

                "Kids are spending the money going shopping and buying shoes and tattoos and buying mopeds," Borton said. "Things they don't need instead of using the money for things that they do need."

                Borton fears that the extra financial burden placed on schools could lead to drastic measures.

                "You have to be fair, and you have to be consistent across the board whether it's men or women, whether it's tennis or football," she said. "If not, you're going to get into Title IX issues, you're going to get into a lot of other things. ... I think you'll see more sports cut because of this, more opportunities taken away from other student-athletes in other sports."

                Akron athletic director Tom Wistrcill, who previously worked as a senior associate athletic director for the Gophers, has an annual budget of $24 million -- 70 percent of it funded through the university. He estimates the full-cost scholarship plan would cost his department between $300,000 and $500,000 annually, which would be tough to fund in the face of recent budget cuts.

                "The money has to come from somewhere," Wistrcill said. "Where do you get it from? I can't go out and raise $500,000 a year to pay for this."

                A level playing field

                Akron won the national championship in men's soccer last season and competes against the top programs for recruits. Wistrcill said they need a level playing field to continue to do that. That's why he believes individual schools should be given the opportunity to decide whether to institute the stipend, not on a conference-by-conference basis.

                "In the MAC [Mid-American Conference], we have 12 schools. Let's say that eight don't want to do it at all," Wistrcill said. "I'm going to raise my hand and say, 'I've got to be able to do it in men's soccer. I have to, or we'll never challenge for the national title again.' I think ultimately it still comes back to institutional choices about where to put the resources. ... I just hope we're not rushing into something that we're going to regret down the road from a financial standpoint."

                Big-business model

                The idea of giving athletes more compensation -- particularly in revenue-generating football and men's basketball -- has gained momentum in recent years as TV contracts have exploded and college sports have become more about big business than amateurism.

                High-profile scandals involving athletes and the ongoing conference realignment saga also have fueled a movement to reward athletes with a piece of the financial pie. More than 300 college football and men's basketball players recently signed a petition asking the NCAA for a cut of burgeoning TV revenue. Others have proposed more radical ideas such as paying athletes a salary.

                "That's the tough question: Where you draw the line with all this stuff?" Gophers linebacker Mike Rallis said. "Fortunately, I don't have to make those decisions. The NCAA makes a lot of money off of us. I do know that."

                Cousins has garnered national attention for his thoughtful approach in the debate. He calls pay-for-play a complicated issue that has no black-and-white answers. He insists he does not take a firm stance on either side because he understands the financial and Title IX implications, but he also believes athletes have a compelling argument.

                "I don't think it will ever be put back under the rug," he said. "But for them to be able to work it all out, somebody is getting stepped on. Whether it be a nonrevenue sport, whether it be the players themselves, the NCAA, somebody is always getting stepped on. Who knows where the landscape of college athletics is going with all this consolidation of conferences. Five years from now, I may look back and the landscape of college athletics is completely different than what it was when I was here."

                Wire services contributed to this report.

                MORE THAN A FULL RIDE

                The change: Athletes who receive a full-ride athletic scholarship -- or other financial aid that equals a full scholarship when added to a partial athletic scholarship -- are eligible for an additional $2,000 to cover out-of-pocket expenses.

                Sports it covers: Football, men's and women's basketball, women's gymnastics, women's tennis and women's volleyball are all "head-count" sports that require full scholarships. Other athletes could be eligible if their total aid package equals a full scholarship.

                Why the change: Scholarships currently cover tuition, fees, room and board, and books. The NCAA adopted the stipend because being a college athlete has become a year-round commitment that makes getting a part-time job impractical.

                When: The proposal will begin with the 2012-13 school year.

                What it means to the U of M: The school has the equivalent of 324.4 full scholarships. If that number qualified for stipends, it would cost the university $650,000.

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                • Senser81
                  VSN Poster of the Year
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 12804

                  #9
                  Its kind of lame that the NCAA is once again going to drown itself in a sea of political-correctness. I have no problem with football and basketball players getting some money on the side, because they produce revenue. It makes sense, financially. The problem is when the NCAA takes a logical idea and stretches it to illogical proportions in the name of political correctness. Are women's tennis players really deserving of a stipend? They aren't really even deserving of their full-ride scholarship....they just get them because of Title IX.

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                  • mgoblue2290
                    Posts too much
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 7174

                    #10
                    Except what happens when some idiot blows the $2,000 right away? Eventually it won't be enough and they will want more.

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                    • Senser81
                      VSN Poster of the Year
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 12804

                      #11
                      Originally posted by mgoblue2290
                      Except what happens when some idiot blows the $2,000 right away? Eventually it won't be enough and they will want more.
                      Reminds me of the MM Server fund-raising drive....

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                      • Atlas
                        BRACK FRIDAY BUNDURU!!!!!
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 7949

                        #12
                        Originally posted by mgoblue2290
                        Except what happens when some idiot blows the $2,000 right away? Eventually it won't be enough and they will want more.
                        i seriously doubt they would give it to the players in a lump sum... but then again, it is the NCAA, and they dont deal in logic...

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                        • ZoneBlitz
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                          • Feb 2009
                          • 1844

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Senser81
                          But that would be much harder to regulate. I don't think the NCAA is ready to give up total control yet.
                          It doesnt need to be regulated. Allow players to get free tattoos & dinners & cars & accept payments. If people (boosters) are willing to pay these players, theres no reason for the NCAA to step in & stop them.

                          NCAA = National Communists Against Athletes

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                          • FirstTimer
                            Freeman Error

                            • Feb 2009
                            • 18720

                            #14
                            Originally posted by ZoneblitZ
                            It doesnt need to be regulated. Allow players to get free tattoos & dinners & cars & accept payments. If people (boosters) are willing to pay these players, theres no reason for the NCAA to step in & stop them.

                            NCAA = National Communists Against Athletes
                            Fine.

                            Then let them pay for school.

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                            • ZoneBlitz
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                              • Feb 2009
                              • 1844

                              #15
                              Originally posted by FirstTimer
                              Fine.

                              Then let them pay for school.
                              Why? That makes zero sense. The schools are willing & wanting to pay for their scholarships.

                              You wanna make it illegal for schools to pay scholarships that they wanna pay? Why are people obsessed with over-regulating shit? Just let the free market & free will decide what happens.

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