VICK RELEASED

[Archer]

He doesn't "deserve" anything. Choices have consequences. No one owes Mike Vick a try out and he doesn't "deserve" anything.

Il agree with you. I was wrong , he doesnt DESERVE a chance. But i hope he does personally . Maybe im a sucker but im a person who beleives in second chances .

This is my last post on this tho.

[Bigpapa42]

Doesn't matter about what he did in the past cause he paid for it, but you still can't help but feel sorry for the guy. Yeah, he made a dog fighting operation, but he paid for it and paid for it severely. I mean the guy filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy, which goes to show you how bad it went. I think he learned his lesson and I want to see him back in action.

You might feel sympathy, but I'm sorry, I simply don't. Mike Vick is suffering the consequences of his own decisions. I don't think the time he spent in jail was excessive, given that the man was running a criminal conspiracy. Yes, he had to file bankruptsy, but again, it was from the consequences of his actions.

[The Messenger]

Archer, Vick is a horrible QB lol. There's no disputing that. Maybe horrible is exaggerating it, but at the NFL level I wouldn't even call him average.

The thing about Roddy White with Vick is that Vick was horrible for White's development. Yes he dropped passes, but so do a lot of young WRs. It's like being inconsistent in the NBA as a rookie, it usually happens. The thing about Vick hindering Roddy White is that Vick isn't a WR's QB. Vick is a TE's QB. So many times Vick would skip the passing routes and either scramble or throw the quick check downs to Alge Crumpler.

How can you say Vick didn't hold Roddy White back, when in White's first season without Vick, and with Joey Harrington and Byron Leftwich throwing him the ball, White went from averaging 30 catches, 475 yards, and 1.5 touchdowns a season to 83 catches, 1202 yards, and 6 touchdowns. Then the very next season, with a rookie quarterback under center, White had 88 catches, 1382 yards, and 7 touchdowns?

There's no doubt Vick could create stuff with his feet, and in the Pittsburgh game which I watched, can lead a team from behind. However, there's a lot of quarterbacks in the NFL that can do that, and you picked one very rare occasion. Vick wasn't made a West Coast quarterback until a couple seasons in, and that was half of Vick's fault because he admitted he wanted to prove he could throw the ball, and it was proven that he couldn't. Same thing with Vince Young, he tries to hard to prove he can and he just can't.

Before Vick's arrest, that Atlanta Falcons team was Vick's. Do you actually believe Jim Mora Jr. could lay down the law to Vick that he had to become this passing phenom or he was out and Schaub would be the franchise QB? Hell no.

[The Messenger]

Archer, Vick is a horrible QB lol. There's no disputing that. Maybe horrible is exaggerating it, but at the NFL level I wouldn't even call him average.

The thing about Roddy White with Vick is that Vick was horrible for White's development. Yes he dropped passes, but so do a lot of young WRs. It's like being inconsistent in the NBA as a rookie, it usually happens. The thing about Vick hindering Roddy White is that Vick isn't a WR's QB. Vick is a TE's QB. So many times Vick would skip the passing routes and either scramble or throw the quick check downs to Alge Crumpler.

How can you say Vick didn't hold Roddy White back, when in White's first season without Vick, and with Joey Harrington and Byron Leftwich throwing him the ball, White went from averaging 30 catches, 475 yards, and 1.5 touchdowns a season to 83 catches, 1202 yards, and 6 touchdowns. Then the very next season, with a rookie quarterback under center, White had 88 catches, 1382 yards, and 7 touchdowns?

There's no doubt Vick could create stuff with his feet, and in the Pittsburgh game which I watched, can lead a team from behind. However, there's a lot of quarterbacks in the NFL that can do that, and you picked one very rare occasion. Vick wasn't made a West Coast quarterback until a couple seasons in, and that was half of Vick's fault because he admitted he wanted to prove he could throw the ball, and it was proven that he couldn't. Same thing with Vince Young, he tries to hard to prove he can and he just can't.

Before Vick's arrest, that Atlanta Falcons team was Vick's. Do you actually believe Jim Mora Jr. could lay down the law to Vick that he had to become this passing phenom or he was out and Schaub would be the franchise QB? Hell no.

[Archer]

Like i said im done arguing about this one , wel wait and see what happens when or if he comes back to the nfl.

[Bear Pand]

Over/Under on number of ppl who give up their season tickets when Vick gets signed to their team?

People are way too sensitive, if he served his sentence let him show if he can still be an average qb.

[ChemTheThriller]

Oh thank God! I'd love to see Michael Vick get out, take a very good defense, and a very good running game, and blow ass in the playoffs again. I'd also like to see his great passing skills, ya know like when he completes every single pass to his TE and RBs? EXCITMENT!

I agree with that one guy (forget who it was), Vick held Roddy White back.

Ya so? It happens every where... Are the Arizona Cardinals idiots or evil for holding back Edge James? No...

Also Roddy white was a rookie when he played with vick, last I recall players got better with experience, or are they all Pro bowlers from their rookie season?

And Vick was suspended by the league from the day his dog fighting leaked, he didn't go to jail til like a year later... SO... He was suspended from playing in the NFL for over a year + he did jail time... He has done his time... Let a team sign him, have him play in the pre-season start a QB controvesry then the starter plays bad vick takes the reigns and runs with him... literally.

[Point Blank]

It's been real Mr. Vick. It sucks that this whole situation happened. The dude was still exciting as hell to watch. If does get picked up, it will be weird seeing him not in a Falcons uni. I give him the best of luck.

I'm not even going to get into the Vick arguments from the previous pages..:laugh:

[ChemTheThriller]

How can you say Vick didn't hold Roddy White back, when in White's first season without Vick, and with Joey Harrington and Byron Leftwich throwing him the ball, White went from averaging 30 catches, 475 yards, and 1.5 touchdowns a season to 83 catches, 1202 yards, and 6 touchdowns. Then the very next season, with a rookie quarterback under center, White had 88 catches, 1382 yards, and 7 touchdowns?
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Hmmm Sounds like a team that was #1 rushing while a certain QB was there that turned into a team playing from behind all the time that...


Pretty sure that's why his numbers are like that...

[Bigpapa42]

Ya so? It happens every where... Are the Arizona Cardinals idiots or evil for holding back Edge James? No...

Also Roddy white was a rookie when he played with vick, last I recall players got better with experience, or are they all Pro bowlers from their rookie season?

And Vick was suspended by the league from the day his dog fighting leaked, he didn't go to jail til like a year later... SO... He was suspended from playing in the NFL for over a year + he did jail time... He has done his time... Let a team sign him, have him play in the pre-season start a QB controvesry then the starter plays bad vick takes the reigns and runs with him... literally.

You might want to check your dates again, Pepp. The story broke in April 2007. Charges were filed in July. Vick plead guilty in August, having his guilty plea accepted on August 27th. Though the actual sentence was not handed down until December of 2007, Vick was in federal custody from the point where his guilty plea was entered, with the time served up to the sentencing counting against his sentence. The NFL suspension started basically just after (literally hours, if I remember) after the guilty plea in August. As Vick was already in federal custody, that suspension was not what kept him from playing in the NFL that season. Therefore, the leagues suspension has not prevented Mike Vick from playing a single game thus far. So no, he has not paid any penalty to the league thus far.

Its one thing to think the league shouldn't impose any penalty of their own. That's fine - its an opinion. But as for them already having done so, no.

[The Messenger]

Ya so? It happens every where... Are the Arizona Cardinals idiots or evil for holding back Edge James? No...

Also Roddy white was a rookie when he played with vick, last I recall players got better with experience, or are they all Pro bowlers from their rookie season?

And Vick was suspended by the league from the day his dog fighting leaked, he didn't go to jail til like a year later... SO... He was suspended from playing in the NFL for over a year + he did jail time... He has done his time... Let a team sign him, have him play in the pre-season start a QB controvesry then the starter plays bad vick takes the reigns and runs with him... literally.

Lol @ Arizona holding back Edge. Edge is washed up. I know Zona throws 100 times a game, but Edge couldn't get it done even when he got 25+ carries a game. He's washed up and it's sad to see. He's on his way out.

Roddy had 2 years with Vick, not just his rookie season. There is no explanation what-so-ever for White's numbers literally tripling the very first year without Vick.

Yes, I know Atlanta played from behind two seasons ago, so naturally you will pass a lot. However, last season Atlanta had a playoff team with a great running game, and Roddy White had an even better season.

I know, he's getting better, progressing blah blah and that's gonna happen, but you can't sit here and tell me Vick didn't hold down Roddy White. Vick, over his 6 seasons in the NFL, has never had a good season with any WR. Let's not just go by stats, look at the games. I know the talent was exactly great at the receiver position, but other quarterbacks have done a lot more with a lot less.

But let's put stats aside, you go back and watch the games throughout Vick's career. He simply isn't a WR's QB, and everyone knows that. He likes to create plays with his feet, and when all else fails he goes for his check downs.

And lol @ the guy who points out the obvious. "Vick didn't plow over people so muscle means nothing." Nah... really? My point was, Vick is working out and staying in shape in prison. He isn't sitting around all day. If you think I thought Vick used to plow people over like Jerome Bettis then you're wrong. My little sister would know that.

[ChemTheThriller]

You might want to check your dates again, Pepp. The story broke in April 2007. Charges were filed in July. Vick plead guilty in August, having his guilty plea accepted on August 27th. Though the actual sentence was not handed down until December of 2007, Vick was in federal custody from the point where his guilty plea was entered, with the time served up to the sentencing counting against his sentence. The NFL suspension started basically just after (literally hours, if I remember) after the guilty plea in August. As Vick was already in federal custody, that suspension was not what kept him from playing in the NFL that season. Therefore, the leagues suspension has not prevented Mike Vick from playing a single game thus far. So no, he has not paid any penalty to the league thus far.

Its one thing to think the league shouldn't impose any penalty of their own. That's fine - its an opinion. But as for them already having done so, no.

I thought I read/heard somewhere that the time he was indited on charges he was suspended by the NFL and even though it wasn't the leagues suspension that made him miss time, they were still going to count it...

[The Messenger]

Vick will be back with 8 games to go next year, that's my belief.

[ChemTheThriller]

Lol @ Arizona holding back Edge. Edge is washed up. I know Zona throws 100 times a game, but Edge couldn't get it done even when he got 25+ carries a game. He's washed up and it's sad to see. He's on his way out.

Roddy had 2 years with Vick, not just his rookie season. There is no explanation what-so-ever for White's numbers literally tripling the very first year without Vick.

Yes, I know Atlanta played from behind two seasons ago, so naturally you will pass a lot. However, last season Atlanta had a playoff team with a great running game, and Roddy White had an even better season.

I know, he's getting better, progressing blah blah and that's gonna happen, but you can't sit here and tell me Vick didn't hold down Roddy White. Vick, over his 6 seasons in the NFL, has never had a good season with any WR. Let's not just go by stats, look at the games. I know the talent was exactly great at the receiver position, but other quarterbacks have done a lot more with a lot less.

But let's put stats aside, you go back and watch the games throughout Vick's career. He simply isn't a WR's QB, and everyone knows that. He likes to create plays with his feet, and when all else fails he goes for his check downs.

And lol @ the guy who points out the obvious. "Vick didn't plow over people so muscle means nothing." Nah... really? My point was, Vick is working out and staying in shape in prison. He isn't sitting around all day. If you think I thought Vick used to plow people over like Jerome Bettis then you're wrong. My little sister would know that.

You quote me, reply on each point yet miss it completely lol...

The point to bring Edge up was, the fact that in certain offenses someone is always being held back, it's the way football is... If you play on a team that doesn't blitz a lot but have a all star blitzing LB in the making but that's just not your scheme...

If you pass 100 times a game the RBs are all being held back, if you run 100 times a game the WRs/TE are being held back from their max production... that's how it works...

Your right he is not a WRs QB, but we all knew that... a WRs QB is a peyton manning, timing, putting the ball right on the money...

But I personally don't care if he wins, he wins...

If he was to come to Arizona, Fitzgerlad and Boldings Recs dropped to 45 a season but we won the SB... I would thank Vick for being the reason we won the SB...

And honestly if the lions were to lets say draft 2 first round OL then grab Defense for the rest of the draft and pick vick up... I bet they win 6-7 games NEXT season...

But if your all about personal stats fuck that... go 2-14 and have C.Johnson get 100 Rec.

[Bigpapa42]

I thought I read/heard somewhere that the time he was indited on charges he was suspended by the NFL and even though it wasn't the leagues suspension that made him miss time, they were still going to count it...

The official league suspension started after his guilty plea in August. If he was "informally" suspended prior to that, its possible they "count it". But being suspended in the summer means zero. Being suspended during the season is the only thing that would really count as punishment from a league standpoint.

A big reason I think Goodell is going to look add a league suspension beyond what he's already missed due to incarceration is that he Vick lied to him directly. And to Blank.