VICK RELEASED

[FirstTimer]

Hmmm Sounds like a team that was #1 rushing while a certain QB was there that turned into a team playing from behind all the time that...


Pretty sure that's why his numbers are like that...

And last year when Matt Ryan was a rookie starting QB and the team went 11-5 and had the #2 rushing offense in the NFL Roddy White put up better numbers than in '07 so there goes that theory of yours.............

Try again.....

[NAHSTE]

throw him back there to run the "wildcat"

If he's a QB, wouldn't it just be called the shotgun? (I know I always ask this, but can we stop with the Wildcat frenzy? It's WildGay)

[NAHSTE]

The official league suspension started after his guilty plea in August. If he was "informally" suspended prior to that, its possible they "count it". But being suspended in the summer means zero. Being suspended during the season is the only thing that would really count as punishment from a league standpoint.

A big reason I think Goodell is going to look add a league suspension beyond what he's already missed due to incarceration is that he Vick lied to him directly. And to Blank.

I think he should get another 8 games tacked on, but that they should honor the "time served" so to speak from this season. I mean jail is jail, it's not like he was sitting around drinking lemonade while the season was going on, dude was in the yard. I think Goodell should be satisfied with how the US gov't handled his punishment. But given the circumstances, I do feel an 8 or 16 game addition is in order from Rog.

[ChemTheThriller]

And last year when Matt Ryan was a rookie starting QB and the team went 11-5 and had the #2 rushing offense in the NFL Roddy White put up better numbers than in '07 so there goes that theory of yours.............

Try again.....

No... I'm pretty sure it's because they ran a lot... In 06 they had 400 yards more then the 2nd team... Vick himself is not the greatest QB, I admit that... But I'm their offense scheme had a lot to do with whites numbers...


It's like complaining about the WRs numbers @ nebraska in the 90's... It was their offense, and your right ryan went 11-5 this that and the third ok that's nice they have very good balance this year...

And overall as a QB his numbers wern't Awful

2400 yards 20 TDs 13 Ints on and btw he ran for 1000 8.4 YPC


I hear what you guys are saying, Roddy white has done a lot better since vick has left... he also has received a prototypical QB with a strong arm... But in Vicks era in atlanta Roddy white wasn't the focus, it was the guy that made 100million... They made that team around his strengths and hewon games for them... It was the scheme they ran...

[FirstTimer]

... But I'm their offense scheme had a lot to do with whites numbers...

They were 2nd in the NFL in rushing last year and White put up better numbers than he did in 07 with a less oriented passing attack than the one he had in 07 with Petrino there.

Your idea and theory hold no weight and are not founded.

By the Way...

Atlanta's rushing attempts:

2008: 560
2007: 385
2006: 537
2005: 531

So, no. They did not run the ball more when Vick was there compared to last year when Roddy White put up a career year with a real QB throwing him the ball.

Once again stats kill a Vick defenders argument.

This place feels more and more like MM each day.

It's and your right ryan went 11-5 this that and the third ok that's nice they have very good balance this year...

I like how you try and just passively dismiss the entire point I made bc you know it destroys your idea about Vick NOT holding Roddy back....

2400 yards 20 TDs 13 Ints on and btw he ran for 1000 8.4 YPC

And a 52% completion percentage AND once again that 1,000 yard rishing season is skewed because Vicks sack yardage is not taken off his rushing total. So the 1,000 isn't as nearly impressive...

I hear what you guys are saying, Roddy white has done a lot better since vick has left... he also has received a prototypical QB with a strong arm... But in Vicks era in atlanta Roddy white wasn't the focus, it was the guy that made 100million... They made that team around his strengths and hewon games for them... It was the scheme they ran...

And Vick did badly in it. They changed "schemes" a few times under Vick and all they had to show for it was a record that is more comparable to Jay Fiedler than Peyton Manning.

Hell they couldn't even fully run the offense under Vick b/c the coaches didn't even trust him enough to give him the ability to audible/change playcalls.

[ChemTheThriller]

Hell they couldn't even fully run the offense under Vick b/c the coaches didn't even trust him enough to give him the ability to audible/change playcalls.

I still believe your entirely to hard on Vick...

Guys like sage rosenfels, kyle orton, ect have jobs in the NFL I think Vick can come back and... I bet if he took the lions to a 10-6 record or brought any team to the playoffs that hasnt been to the playoffs in 5-6 years they would be happy to have...

[FirstTimer]

I still believe your entirely to hard on Vick...

Ha! I'm too hard on an underachieving overpaid average QB that people defend to no end and literally make up stats to defend. ie... The Falcons ran the ball under Vick than they did last year.....False.

Guys like sage rosenfels, kyle orton, ect have jobs in the NFL I think Vick can come back and... I bet if he took the lions to a 10-6 record or brought any team to the playoffs that hasnt been to the playoffs in 5-6 years they would be happy to have...

VICK HASN'T BEEN TO THE PLAYOFFS IN 4 YEARS!

Vick went to the Playoffs twice in his career and hasn't gone since 2004. He didn't take the Falcons there in 2005 and 2006 and now with at least two years off people are somehow thinking Vick will be able to come back and be a legit QB in the NFL, when he was barely one before. Vick could barely complete 50% of his passes before he went to prison. Let alone after 2 years away from the game.

I also like that for both your examples you listed QB's who didn't make the playoffs last year and who are either a. career backups/journey men or b. game mangers. Since when is Vick a game manager? I thought his strength was making plays...........

Apples and oranges.

[GhostIcon]

Throw his ass in Detroit.

[steeljake]

welcome back GI... denver might need to get Vick's digits if cutler can't get the sand out of his va-jay-jay

[FirstTimer]

I don't understand how you could say Vick sucks at QB. Vick led his team to the NFC championship

Plenty of crappy QB's have gone far in the playoffs riding good running games and good defenses.

[Juggernaut]

Plenty of crappy QB's have gone far in the playoffs riding good running games and good defenses.

such as...

[Sportsbuck]

such as...

Just look at Firsttimer's favorite team.

[packersfan4eva]

i hate michael vick. he should get sent back to jail

[The Messenger]

such as...

Let's hope you aren't seriously asking that question.

[Deviant]

such as...

Jon Kitna - 1999 Seahawks


Trent Dilfer - 2000 Ravens


Daunte Culpepper (really, all Randy Moss and Cris Carter) - 2000 Vikings


Tommy Maddox (although his play that year was phenomenal) - 2002 Steelers


Kelly Holcomb (No, not Brady Quinn) - 2002 Browns

Need I go on?