JoePa Dies at 85

[shag773]

I have no hate for Paterno. I hate that he is being defended though, or that we are supposed to be naive and think he didn't know enough.

"I've never heard of a man and rape before."

He seriously offered that as his excuse for doing so little. You are defending that?

I'm not defending his actions in this case, only pointing out the real source of your contention...

Ok. So he couldn't have stopped children from being raped with one phone call? Pretty fucking sure he could.

"Hey, this is Joe Paterno. Yeah I have this guy on my staff raping children and we've warned him to stop twice. Yeah you need to lock this guy up or more children can get hurt. Okay great, thanks."

That is all it would have taken.

Again, not defending his actions. Trust me, when he died, he died with the guilt of not doing more. I just find it laughable that people like you have that much faith in the justice system that Joe Paterno can make one phone call, then poof, there's an investigation, judgement, and conviction. You know, since there weren't any grand jury investigations before hand that were trying to do the same fucking thing....oh wait...

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Worst post in this thread: Liquid comparing PSU's situation to my avatar.

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Winner by knockout...

Whoever the fuck "Liquid" is.

[shag773]

Which time? The time a janitor saw Sandusky getting a beejer from a kid in his office? Or the time when Sandusky admitted to a parent that he hugged her son in the shower, and Penn State formally issued him a warning and made him promise not to touch little boys in the shower again ...

Oh wait you are talking about the third time Sandusky was caught red handed and word got to Penn State brass.

I agree, that time Paterno needed more information for sure. You can never be too sure with these things. Need that fourth or fifth victim to really know, ya know?

No, I'm talking about the incident I know for a fact Paterno knew about...

[Rip]

Should JoePa have had a little more initiative? Yes. Should he be getting this much flack? I don't think so. Don't get me wrong, I hope a coalition of elephants rape Sandusky, but JoePa didn't do the "wrong" things he did because he's evil or to do harm. There's a difference between someone who knows they're doing harm and means harm as opposed to someone doing the opposite.

He told his adviser, as he legally should, and probably thought it was resolved prematurely.

The stress killed him and that's extremely sad.

[NAHSTE]

No, I'm talking about the incident I know for a fact Paterno knew about...

It takes an awful lot of suspension of disbelief to think that was the only incident he knew about.

Unless you think his keys being revoked and being told he would not considered as a successor are completely unrelated to Sandusky's behavior.

[SethMode]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/joe-paterno-dies-in-hospital-doctors-promise-to-te,27125/

Have to admit, I laughed.

[Aso]

Best post in the thread.

All i'm going to say is this, and then you guys can go back to kicking a corpse.

If everybody here was as self righteous and hollier than thou as they expect others to be, we would all be living in the clouds with Care Bears and there would be no sin.

I would simply suggest that before you castigate others, before you make broad and damaging assumptions on someone's character, you look at yourself and ask yourself 'have I ever been tested'? 'Have I ever made bad judgements'?

Does making one bad judgement (or even two or three) make you evil? Even if you may have thought you were doing the right thing at the time? Be careful how you answer.

Sandusky is the devil, here. Misplaced blame, misplaced anger, can be frivolous. Paterno may have made a mistake. I don't hate him for being human. I dont need to hate him to hate child abuse.

Of course people may have bad judgment in some critical situations. In my 18 years of life I've done a lot of stupid shit. But whenever a situation comes up where it may affect someone else's life in a negative way, I always air on the side of caution as I expect everyone else to. When you're in that situation what bad can come from going to the police and saying something? I can't think of anything.

I think this comes down to one of those situations where people don't want to get involved and do the bare minimum. He should still take responsibility for what he didn't do but because he's famous (and now dead) he no longer had to and it's a shame.

[KnightNoles]

some quotes from another site about the death of Paterno

Surprised by all the Joe Pa love. He let child rape happen on his watch. It is unforgivable. Be sad for the victims of rape, not Joe Pa.

It was obvious from McQueery's comments that there are 4-5 different accounts of what Joe Pa actually was told. His alleged negligence to Sandusky's actions should be separate. Regardless of the situation he was a crucial constituent to a lot of people's lives. While I don't think he should be made to be a saint just yet, you can't condemn him when you don't know the facts...

I guess I look at it from the point of view, if you know something happened, and you don't do everything you can to make sure the authorities (not the Penn State Police but real cops and outsiders from the university) are involved, you failed and it overshadows everything you did.

A person can live an unbelievable life, but if you let boys be destroyed by a monster by Sandusky, and you didn't do EVERYTHING you possibly could, you deserve to have your legacy tarnished. Think about it if it was your child that was raped, and you knew Joe Pa knew something could have been up and didn't do everything.

Would you care about all those he helped or would you think more about all those he didn't? I am pretty sure you coach youth sports. No matter how many kids you taught and helped to be better men, would parents care if you didnt do everything you could to stop another coach from being a monster like Sandusky?

*inserts "not this shit again" pic*

this is far from the time to take and do something like this, Its a complete disrespect

All that is speculative based on loose testimony from a few people that have already been caught lying. Feel free to have that opinion when the facts come out. That's my point.

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His on the field legacy will live but his off the field life will be tarnished. I give Sandusky by far the more hate then Joe Pa but he had a chance to stop it like most people have said. He let the people above him know, Joe could have done more but the people above him could have also done more.

I think we just need the whole process to play out and let the facts come to light.

[shag773]

It takes an awful lot of suspension of disbelief to think that was the only incident he knew about.

Unless you think his keys being revoked and being told he would not considered as a successor are completely unrelated to Sandusky's behavior.

Look, he said this incident was the first he'd heard of it. Whether you believe that or not is up to you. But in the 60 plus years he's been part of this university, he's always been known as truthful and upfront about everything.

I fully admit to being a Patrno guy and that very well be clouding my judgement. But I choose to merely label him as human, not some scumbag that allowed child molestation to happen right under his nose because he didn't give a fuck...

[ram29jackson]

Of course people may have bad judgment in some critical situations. In my 18 years of life I've done a lot of stupid shit. But whenever a situation comes up where it may affect someone else's life in a negative way, I always air on the side of caution as I expect everyone else to. When you're in that situation what bad can come from going to the police and saying something? I can't think of anything.

I think this comes down to one of those situations where people don't want to get involved and do the bare minimum. He should still take responsibility for what he didn't do but because he's famous (and now dead) he no longer had to and it's a shame.

18? 18 ? life can get messy and you have no clue whats going on or how to handle it. Get back to us in 18 years when youve been through some bizarre personal stuff.

..and the fact is, alot of the media is still 2nd and 3rd person crap and we really dont know Paterno's and a few other peoples deepest personal thoughts or actions. the Sanduskys of the world need to be gone, not the Paterno's. ...but its over now,for alot of people in alot of ways,and time to move on

[red33]

my initial reaction is to say fuck him he allowed a molester to do his thing. so fuck him and his legacy. football isnt more important than life.

if he somehow says he is completely free,somehow, of responsibitly from this then whatever.

[ralaw]

There is a quote by someone that basically says a lifetime of goodness can be wiped away by one bad decision or something like that. That quote certainly applies to Paterno....in that regard it is sad the way he went out.

[shag773]

Which time? The time a janitor saw Sandusky getting a beejer from a kid in his office? Or the time when Sandusky admitted to a parent that he hugged her son in the shower, and Penn State formally issued him a warning and made him promise not to touch little boys in the shower again ...

Oh wait you are talking about the third time Sandusky was caught red handed and word got to Penn State brass.

I agree, that time Paterno needed more information for sure. You can never be too sure with these things. Need that fourth or fifth victim to really know, ya know?

The janitor didn't report it to university officials, this allegtion didn't see the light of day until the recent grand jury report. The second allegation was handled by the PA Department of Public Welfare and the PSU Police, two organizations Paterno is not a part of to my knowledge.

[NAHSTE]

The janitor didn't report it to university officials, this allegtion didn't see the light of day until the recent grand jury report. The second allegation was handled by the PA Department of Public Welfare and the PSU Police, two organizations Paterno is not a part of to my knowledge.

Ok. Keep believing that Sandusky was issued formal warnings about his behavior without his direct superior being notified of it.

[x0xHumblex0x]

His fate was his punishment for "allowing" a Child Rapist MFer to run around all this time and not doing or saying anything to stop it.......

Most of this country will not remember him as "The Legendary Joe Pa"
But
rather the Head Coach of PSU that could have stopped young boys innocence being stolen by Sandusky.......