Eli Manning...

[Warner2BruceTD]

To me, the only legacy of greatness that is now cemented is Tom Coughlin.

I think he's the greatest coach of his era.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I'm not even really arguing that hard against the idea of Eli being a potential hall of famer.

It's the idea that throwing for 290 and one TD in a game today making it some sort of lock that I find ridiculous.

Again, if Gronkowski catches the hail mary, we aren't even discussing this. What sense does that make? Nothing about Eli's performance would have changed. I just find it silly.

Yes we would, I made the thread before that

Winning or Losing Super Bowls is important in the resume of a quarterback...you can deny that simple fact or try and call it lazy and dated...but it is, what it is. Gronkowski missing that catch gives the man another ring and ultimately, the first thing that will be on the bust of Eli Manning will be 2x (or 3x or 4x, however many he may win) Super Bowl Champion. Its bullet point number one.

[jaxjaggywires]

To me, the only legacy of greatness that is now cemented is Tom Coughlin.

I think he's the greatest coach of his era.

And we let him go...hated it then, hate it now.

[EmpireWF]

Tom Coughlin will coach the Giants literally for as long as he wants to, is able to (health wise).

Eli Manning is only 31-years old. He has at least 5 good years left.

Confidence in this team's future.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

To me, the only legacy of greatness that is now cemented is Tom Coughlin.

I think he's the greatest coach of his era.

Without question.

He took the Jacksonville Jaguars from non-existence to the playoffs and one of the best teams in the NFL in record time.

He then coached a two time Super Bowl champion team.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

And we let him go...hated it then, hate it now.

The Jaguars have will continue to rue the day they let Saint Tom go.

[Houston]

We wouldn't be having this conversation if Tom Brady didn't get a safety on his first snap of the game.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Yes we would, I made the thread before that

Winning or Losing Super Bowls is important in the resume of a quarterback...you can deny that simple fact or try and call it lazy and dated...but it is, what it is. Gronkowski missing that catch gives the man another ring and ultimately, the first thing that will be on the bust of Eli Manning will be 2x (or 3x or 4x, however many he may win) Super Bowl Champion. Its bullet point number one.

Meh.

I didn't see a special, blowaway performance tonight. I don't overrate rings in the QB argument, if that's your thing though, run with it homie.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Meh.

I didn't see a special, blowaway performance tonight. I don't overrate rings in the QB argument, if that's your thing though, run with it homie.

Unfortunately, the opinion of Warner2BruceTD doesn't mean anything with regards to a player going to the Hall of Fame...ya know, something tangible in regard to greatness.

And the only rating for rings in the argument among great quarterbacks is right where it should be...bullet point number one. We're not talking about dissecting Mark Rypien v. Dan Marino...we're talking about Dan Marino v. Peyton Manning or the difference between Ken Anderson or Donovan McNabb in or out of the Hall of Fame...they matter and getting one is NEVER overrated and being the most valuable player in the most important game of the season and in ones case, life at that particular point...also, never overrated.

[Rudi]

Kids got game :leake:

[jms493]

we will see when his career ends....honestly I dont give a shit. He won us giants fans 2 superbowls.....thank god we made that trade to draft him.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Unfortunately, the opinion of Warner2BruceTD doesn't mean anything with regards to a player going to the Hall of Fame...ya know, something tangible in regard to greatness.

And the only rating for rings in the argument among great quarterbacks is right where it should be...bullet point number one. We're not talking about dissecting Mark Rypien v. Dan Marino...we're talking about Dan Marino v. Peyton Manning or the difference between Ken Anderson or Donovan McNabb in or out of the Hall of Fame...they matter and getting one is NEVER overrated and being the most valuable player in the most important game of the season and in ones case, life at that particular point...also, never overrated.

blah blah blah

I ask again, this question to the people of VSD. If Gronkowski catches the hail mary, are you still touting Eli for the hall of fame?

If your answer is yes, then you are consistent and i have no gripe with you.

If your answer is no, you're a goofball who overrates rings, without context.

[JBregz]

bELIeve

[Juggernaut]

blah blah blah

I ask again, this question to the people of VSD. If Gronkowski catches the hail mary, are you still touting Eli for the hall of fame?

If your answer is yes, then you are consistent and i have no gripe with you.

If your answer is no, you're a goofball who overrates rings, without context.

The fact that he was able to lead that team into the playoffs, with their backs against the walls, and then win out against tough opponents in the playoffs, yes.

Getting to 2 superbowls is an achievement in itself. If he played well in this superbowl and didn't win, not on his part, then he's still validated in my eyes.

[Champ]

ELITE