Brady sucks now

[Senser81]

So where do you place Jim Kelly? Just like Brady he's a master at losing in the SB.

Damn Bear Pand...in 04 you was the man Pand...fuck happened to you?

[Glenbino]

If he's a choker for making two Superbowls and 4 AFC Championship games since 05 how do i get that kind of choking on my team? And hell if it wasn't for the LUCKIEST CATCH OF ALL TIME and Mario Manningham making the best catch of his career on Eli's best throw of his career he's two plays away from winning those two Superbowls. If you think Brady is a choke your dumb, plain and simple. Those DBs are more to blame for these losses than Brady.

And if Lee Evans and make a catch or Marlon McRee can hold onto a turnover they don't make two of those Super Bowls either... this argument can be made both ways.

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[jms493]

And if Lee Evans and make a catch or Marlon McRee can hold onto a turnover they don't make two of those Super Bowls either... this argument can be made both ways.

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or if Brady's fumble vs the Raiders was fucking called a damn fumble! We can go all day.

[RosettaStoned]

And 3 more superbowl appearances as a starter than any other active QB.

Only 2 more, Ben's been to 3, won 2.

[killgod]

If Welker makes the catch...
If Jackie Smith makes the catch...
If Norwood isn't wide right...

SPROTS.

[x0xHumblex0x]

So where do you place Jim Kelly? Just like Brady he's a master at losing in the SB.

i love this debate..........

why people hatin on Jim Kelly. led the Bills to FOUR STRAIGHT Superbowls. yes; they got swept and lost to the NFC East, no thanks to Norwwod, lol.
But thats Four Straight........i dont think anybody will ever do that again. that is serious accomplishment.

its not Jim Kelly's fault they over matched.........

[jms493]

i love this debate..........

why people hatin on Jim Kelly. led the Bills to FOUR STRAIGHT Superbowls. yes; they got swept and lost to the NFC East, no thanks to Norwwod, lol.
But thats Four Straight........i dont think anybody will ever do that again. that is serious accomplishment.

its not Jim Kelly's fault they over matched.........

Yeah the Bills ran into some nasty defenses...they should have been the Giants but that is the way the cookie crumbles.

[Bear Pand]

If he's a choker for making two Superbowls and 4 AFC Championship games since 05 how do i get that kind of choking on my team? And hell if it wasn't for the LUCKIEST CATCH OF ALL TIME and Mario Manningham making the best catch of his career on Eli's best throw of his career he's two plays away from winning those two Superbowls. If you think Brady is a choke your dumb, plain and simple. Those DBs are more to blame for these losses than Brady.

Again it's gotten to the point with Brady where we are celebrating him for AFC CG appearances and SB appearances. I don't understand the double standard, you don't hear that with any other QB.

You realize a QB like Manning has two Superbowl appearances and several CG appearances but he's widely considered to be a choker by fans and the media. Again we have Jim Kelly who no one cares about despite 4 SBs and like 5 CGs. I've never heard any QB celebrated for just making it (SB loss) or almost making it (AFC CG loss). The standard has always been "DO YOU PUT THE TEAM ON YA BACK THO? HOW MANY RINGS YOU GOT?" Brady has 0 since 05 and has several chokes and historic upsets along the way.

I don't even agree with the whole choker label, it's stupid and a waste of time. But if other QBs are going to get hit with it, it's mandatory Brady also gets it. He did well 01-04 but since then he's been as bad as anyone else.

[killgod]

Again it's gotten to the point with Brady where we are celebrating him for AFC CG appearances and SB appearances. I don't understand the double standard, you don't hear that with any other QB.

You realize a QB like Manning has two Superbowl appearances and several CG appearances but he's widely considered to be a choker by fans and the media. Again we have Jim Kelly who no one cares about despite 4 SBs and like 5 CGs. I've never heard any QB celebrated for just making it (SB loss) or almost making it (AFC CG loss). The standard has always been "DO YOU PUT THE TEAM ON YA BACK THO? HOW MANY RINGS YOU GOT?" Brady has 0 since 05 and has several chokes and historic upsets along the way.

Yeah, but, he still won 3. They didn't.

[ralaw]

I think the 10-0 start with 3 Superbowls for Brady means something and this is why the 7-7 isn't seen as being as negative as Manning's 9-11 and 1 Superbowl. In a vacuum you can't just say, "Well Manning gets ridiculed for going 9-11 and Brady gets praised for going 7-7" You can't ignore the 10-0 and 3 Superbowls.

[Bear Pand]

Yeah, but, he still won 3. They didn't.

Yeah and in my post I acknowledge the run he had early. The thread title also does.

From 05-12 he's been a choker. Also, this time period essentially covers the time he's been the focal point of the team. It covers 8 years 7 of him actually playing. We're supposed to ignore that he's been choking since 05 because he did well before that?

No.

[Bear Pand]

I think the 10-0 start with 3 Superbowls for Brady means something and this is why the 7-7 isn't seen as being as negative as Manning's 9-11 and 1 Superbowl. In a vacuum you can't just say, "Well Manning gets ridiculed for going 9-11 and Brady gets praised for going 7-7" You can't ignore the 10-0 and 3 Superbowls.

How about this then. 2010-11. Manning gets ridiculed for losing to the Jets after leads a scoring drive and goes up 16-14 with 0:53 remaining. They lose because the D allows a good KR and let's Matt Sanchez drive down the field. The focal point is on Manning choking again. The very next week Brady Brady gets shut down by those same Jets and no one says a word.

How about this. 2012-13. Manning gets blasted for choking against the Ravens even though he leads a scoring drive with little time remaining and his D gives up a tying TD. He ends up throwing a terrible INT in OT. Very next week Brady's 35 ppg offense gets shut down by the same team. He also has multiple turnovers and plays poorly.

But because he won some SBs a decade ago no one really says a word about Brady's failures. Because he won early he gets the benefit of the doubt regardless of what happens in the game. Other QBs play the same game lose to the same team and they get criticized for it. It's only fair to do the same to Brady. A SB win in 2002 shouldn't dictate how we judge a game in 2012. Those games mean 0 when looking at what he's done since 05. Biggest comeback in CG history, one of the biggest upsets in SB history, game sealing interceptions, games with multiple turnovers, high scoring offenses routinely disappearing in the postseason. Brady since 05: a choker by any other name.

[Len B]

So where do you place Jim Kelly? Just like Brady he's a master at losing in the SB.

Might be the dumbest thing I've read in this thread.

[Len B]

How about this then. 2010-11. Manning gets ridiculed for losing to the Jets after leads a scoring drive and goes up 16-14 with 0:53 remaining. They lose because the D allows a good KR and let's Matt Sanchez drive down the field. The focal point is on Manning choking again. The very next week Brady Brady gets shut down by those same Jets and no one says a word.

How about this. 2012-13. Manning gets blasted for choking against the Ravens even though he leads a scoring drive with little time remaining and his D gives up a tying TD. He ends up throwing a terrible INT in OT. Very next week Brady's 35 ppg offense gets shut down by the same team. He also has multiple turnovers and plays poorly.

But because he won some SBs a decade ago no one really says a word about Brady's failures. Because he won early he gets the benefit of the doubt regardless of what happens in the game. Other QBs play the same game lose to the same team and they get criticized for it. It's only fair to do the same to Brady. A SB win in 2002 shouldn't dictate how we judge a game in 2012. Those games mean 0 when looking at what he's done since 05. Biggest comeback in CG history, one of the biggest upsets in SB history, game sealing interceptions, games with multiple turnovers, high scoring offenses routinely disappearing in the postseason. Brady since 05: a choker by any other name.

Quit your belly aching. Brady was ridiculed for throwing a costly pick in the Super Bowl last year and I'm okay with it, it was a bad throw. He was ridiculed for the loss to the Giants prior to and the loss to the Ravens. The world is now leaning too far towards 'Brady sucks in big games'.

Manning had the ball in his hands to win the game against the Ravens and he didn't. Thus he gets heat. Brady is the most hated and every single person makes sure they throw the 'not clutch' argument out there when he loses. You act like Brady is still a golden boy amongst the fans of football.

Every QB will eventually choke in the playoffs, because the law of averages says you can't be perfect every time you're in the playoffs. You are facing elite competition which eliminates your ability to consistently dominate. What bugs me, is that people claim Joe Montana is clutch and perfect in the post season, but that's not the case. He just happened to have all his bad games prior to the Super Bowl.

Every QB chokes, the question is how often are they there and how often do they win.

[Bear Pand]

Brady is the most hated and every single person makes sure they throw the 'not clutch' argument out there when he loses. You act like Brady is still a golden boy amongst the fans of football.

Might be the dumbest thing I've read in this thread.