Brady sucks now

[dell71]

I'm a Giants fan and even I think announcing his demise is way too premature. Like has been said, this loss can't be pinned solely on him. There are a number of bigger reasons they didn't win before you get to Brady. I can't even pin the pick totally on him. All year whenever he's had Gronk one-on-one with a LB that's an automatic win. Sure, he threw it a little short but that's a play Gronk comes back to the ball, boxes out the defender and makes the catch. He's done it all year. On that bad wheel, he just couldn't stop and change direction fast enough to do any of that.

Also with this one and the SB in '07, it took miraculous plays late by Eli to win the game. Brady actually drove his team and gave them the lead late before Eli escaping a certain sack and finding Tyree who made a spectacular grab. Last night, they had the lead late again and Eli throws a 40 yard strike, fitting the ball in about a six inch window that Manningham had to hold on to & get both feet in bounds. Like it's been said, if a play here or there goes a different way he has 5 rings or none. He's got 3 and has played in 5. I personally don't think he's the GOAT, but he's still in the discussion.


EDIT: On that safety, it was a bad play but let's be honest. I've seen quarterbacks make that same play a thousand times and never once saw it called intentional grounding.

[red33]

wow some of you guys are crazy. How is Brady overrated? going to 5 SBs is overrated? WTF. Funny how everyone said NYG were a better team and should have been favored. Then Pats lose on dropped passes that were all catchable and now hes a bum?

Ill still take brady over most QBs in the L including Manning. Also this talk of Eli being better then Peyton is absurd as well.

[Bear Pand]

I'm a Giants fan and even I think announcing his demise is way too premature. Like has been said, this loss can't be pinned solely on him. There are a number of bigger reasons they didn't win before you get to Brady. I can't even pin the pick totally on him.

I'm not announcing his demise. He's still an elite QB, all time great and has been at worst the 2nd best QB in the league for a large part of his career. And will continue to be for at least the next few years.

But people (fans/media) were falling all over themselves giving him total credit for the 3 SB runs. So he gotta take the credit for these loses too. Fairs fair.

wow some of you guys are crazy. How is Brady overrated? going to 5 SBs is overrated? WTF. Funny how everyone said NYG were a better team and should have been favored. Then Pats lose on dropped passes that were all catchable and now hes a bum?

Ill still take brady over most QBs in the L including Manning. Also this talk of Eli being better then Peyton is absurd as well.

who are you arguing with?

[red33]

^^^

no one in general.

[jms493]

Brady would have field day in a giants uniform....dude is great.

[ram29jackson]

He went 27/41 for 276 yards and 2 TD's... if he didn't have those drops he goes over 300 and wins Super Bowl MVP easily.

His shelf life is fine.

LOL you miss the point entirely, it doesnt matter the numbers he got..his true heyday is behind him and he wont ever get the dominance back..it doesnt need to be a blatant drop off for it to be true...Favre had a very good career after 96/97, but the fact is..he never got back in the big game or won another SB..Brady's beaten the odds more than enough but he hasnt won the last 2 and he very well may never get another chance again.

...you forgot to mention the int he threw as well



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[Bear Pand]

Oh yeah I was at work earlier when I made this thread so he's some video backup:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n74qajrx4b4"]Champ Bailey - 100 yd INT (2005 AFC Divisional vs. New England) - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNH-En9TqZY"]Colts beat the Patriots - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eazi_DnGmVY"]ravens and patriots 2010 - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR0gSwTCZ-8"]Jets vs patriots 2010 AFC divisional playoff highlights - YouTube[/ame]

^ camera pointed at tv lol

[mgoblue2290]

I no longer care to argue on the internet as much anymore. I could sit here and fruitlessly debate with this guy posting video after video of Brady making plays while he posts videos of him screwing up and we would get nowhere.

Brady is not a choker, anyone with a brain will agree with me.

[Bear Pand]

I no longer care to argue on the internet as much anymore. I could sit here and fruitlessly debate with this guy posting video after video of Brady making plays while he posts videos of him screwing up and we would get nowhere.

Brady is not a choker, anyone with a brain will agree with me.

Ok. Thank you for posting in this thread to tell us you no longer want to post in this thread.

And I think it's reasonable to argue that Brady has been choking 05-11. The whole choking stuff is bullshit to begin with, but the label exists and the stuff he's doing fits perfectly within the definition. Backbreaking, game sealing interceptions. Losing at home multiple times. Dropoff from regular season performance to postseason. Big collapses/upsets.

The problem is the narrative is that Brady is a clutch playoff hero, so when he fails excuses get made or people just flat out ignore it. You look at what he's done in the playoffs recently, if other QBs pulled that shit they'd get blasted relentlessly. All I'm asking is when is Brady gonna get that same treatment?

Perfect example was last year when the instantaneous fan reaction, and some of the media reaction was that Manning choked after losing to the Jets. then the very next week Jets go out and do the same thing to the Patriots and those same people are silent.

[Villain]

If Lee Evans doesn't drop that pass, I would've made it two weeks ago.

So you're just waiting for him to screw up? He kept going farther into the playoffs and you're just waiting for him to lose so you can question if he's as good as he used to be and start this thread? He went to the Superbowl. It's not like he missed the playoffs and looked like a geezer. If he doesn't win one every year then you think he's not good anymore?

I'm not even a fan of Tom Brady or the Patriots but I'm not going to deny that he's one of the best QBs to ever play the game. I like how you listed the year he shattered all the regular season records as one that was a failure. When a man's failures are being judged by the amount of Superbowls he doesn't win then that's a pretty good place to be. You're setting the bar impossibly high. He's just one man on a team and he's one of the best to ever play at his position.

[ram29jackson]

So you're just waiting for him to screw up? He kept going farther into the playoffs and you're just waiting for him to lose so you can question if he's as good as he used to be and start this thread? He went to the Superbowl. It's not like he missed the playoffs and looked like a geezer. If he doesn't win one every year then you think he's not good anymore?

I'm not even a fan of Tom Brady or the Patriots but I'm not going to deny that he's one of the best QBs to ever play the game. I like how you listed the year he shattered all the regular season records as one that was a failure. When a man's failures are being judged by the amount of Superbowls he doesn't win then that's a pretty good place to be. You're setting the bar impossibly high. He's just one man on a team and he's one of the best to ever play at his position.

your stuff is for the most part true.

But I still said he/the Pats would lose the SB , and they did.

[Bear Pand]

So you're just waiting for him to screw up? He kept going farther into the playoffs and you're just waiting for him to lose so you can question if he's as good as he used to be and start this thread? He went to the Superbowl. It's not like he missed the playoffs and looked like a geezer. If he doesn't win one every year then you think he's not good anymore?

I'm not even a fan of Tom Brady or the Patriots but I'm not going to deny that he's one of the best QBs to ever play the game. I like how you listed the year he shattered all the regular season records as one that was a failure. When a man's failures are being judged by the amount of Superbowls he doesn't win then that's a pretty good place to be. You're setting the bar impossibly high. He's just one man on a team and he's one of the best to ever play at his position.

First of all it's amazing how people keep misrepresenting the argument making it look like I'm calling dude overrated or saying he's not good anymore. Even if it was unclear initially that I wasn't doing this, I've clarified it a few times in this thread. Sit down with that strawman bullshit.

Second of all no I wasn't just waiting for him to lose. I've been saying this shit since last year (not going to search for the post) and was talking about it in the chatbox after the Pats beat the Ravens.

Third of all LOL at you thinking I was bringing up him breaking the TD record as a failure. huh? Stopped reading there sorry.

[Tailback U]

Belichick and Brady have fooled people into believing they are some great powerhouse of a team.

The fact is that they overachieve year in and year out because of those two. That roster is not even top 10 in terms of talent from top to bottom and they seriously lack playmakers on both sides of the ball. Gronkowski is a stud, Hernandez is a good mismatch TE, and Welker is a great slot guy but that's it. Outside of those 3 they have nothing.

They have no running game. They have no playaction threat. They have no deep threat or anybody that can make a tough catch near the sideline or go up and get a ball besides Gronk.

They have nobody that can lockdown a WR. Chung will make a big hit every once in a while, but it's usually after the WR has already caught the ball. I don't even know who the hell was playing strong safety for them. They have a former QB from Kent State playing nickel back or a guy that was cut by 2 teams earlier this year.

Wilfork is a beast, but he's not going to get near double digit sacks. They have nobody that can consistently rush the passer.

The game is about making plays. You need playmakers, momentum shifters. The Patriots do not have enough. They are extremely well coached and execute as well as anyone in the league, but when they are outmatched in talent and meet their equal when it comes to coaching they get beat.

[leaffan]

Belichick and Brady have fooled people into believing they are some great powerhouse of a team.
The fact is that they overachieve year in and year out because of those two. That roster is not even top 10 in terms of talent from top to bottom and they seriously lack playmakers on both sides of the ball. Gronkowski is a stud, Hernandez is a good mismatch TE, and Welker is a great slot guy but that's it. Outside of those 3 they have nothing.

They have no running game. They have no playaction threat. They have no deep threat or anybody that can make a tough catch near the sideline or go up and get a ball besides Gronk.

They have nobody that can lockdown a WR. Chung will make a big hit every once in a while, but it's usually after the WR has already caught the ball.

Wilfork is a beast, but he's not going to get near double digit sacks. They have nobody that can consistently rush the passer.

The game is about making plays. You need playmakers, momentum shifters. The Patriots do not have enough. They are extremely well coached and execute as well as anyone in the league, but when they are outmatched in talent and meet their equal when it comes to coaching they get beat.

Read this line and just started shaking my head.

This forum is going down the shitter fast.

[Tailback U]

Read this line and just started shaking my head.

This forum is going down the shitter fast.

I'm talking about in terms of talent. Should have worded it differently. They are a powerhouse, but it's not because they have more talent than every team in the NFL, it's because of Bill Belichick and Tom Brady and that is it.