Saints Defense maintained a Bounty Program

[MrBill]

Every player ive heard has said bounties are no big deal, a part of the game, etc.

They are the ones who play the game. If they are fine with it, why wouldnt you be?

If you can't see the moral difference between bounties for interceptions, sacks, touchdowns that are accomplished within the rules of the game and bounties for purposely injuring another player with no care for the rules then you can't be helped.

[killgod]

Every player ive heard has said bounties are no big deal, a part of the game, etc.

They are the ones who play the game. If they are fine with it, why wouldnt you be?

Then the players lose footing in arguing the league isn't taking care of them when they are post league vegetables. The league tries to protect them, the players say fuck it we're defying your rules anyways...then we're gonna blame you for not looking out for us.

When it comes to retired crippled NFL players?

[ZoneBlitz]

If you can't see the moral difference between bounties for interceptions, sacks, touchdowns that are accomplished within the rules of the game and bounties for purposely injuring another player with no care for the rules then you can't be helped.

WTF are you talking about Favre lover?

The bounties the players are ok with ARE the big hits, thats what all the discussion is about.

And there IS a care for the rules, they try to win the bounties within the rules.

[Tailback U]

Juicy details finally starting to emerge.

I want to see the email from Ornstein that details the structure of the Saints bounty program.

Like I've been saying, this type of thing has gone on for decades. It's nothing new and nfl players are aware of if. The Saints just took it to another level because the coaches were involved. Again, just so w2b doesn't twist my words again, that doesn't make it right or ok.

[ralaw]

Juicy details finally starting to emerge.

I want to see the email from Ornstein that details the structure of the Saints bounty program.

Like I've been saying, this type of thing has gone on for decades. It's nothing new and nfl players are aware of if. The Saints just took it to another level because the coaches were involved. Again, just so w2b doesn't twist my words again, that doesn't make it right or ok.

Yeah, that's what makes this such a huge issue. It's one thing for players to create some sort of reward system, but for coaches to be involved makes it pretty bad, as coaches are generally supposed to be the mature people educating and keeping the players in check.

[EmpireWF]

Wasn't just coaches involved either, think someones agent was in on it too (the guy who served prison time for doing something with tickets during their SB season).

[Tailback U]

I think you guys who are nonchalantly disregarding this because it already existed are off base in terms of how far the Saints went with it.

I have serious doubts that you will find $10k bounties on players on every NFL locker room, with upwards of 25 players involved with the coaching staffs and outside convicted felons.

The amount of money is irrelevant. The entire concept of it is wrong. How far the Saints took it doesn't make it worse because more people were involved and more money.

It's been going on for decades and it's always been wrong. Now the NFL is doing something about it save face. They never cared when it was black dudes in a locker room paying to kill each other. Throw some suits into the equation, more money, and lawsuits and now the wants to act like they care.

[ralaw]

Wasn't just coaches involved either, think someones agent was in on it too (the guy who served prison time for doing something with tickets during their SB season).

It is interesting how these stories always seem to work. We always go from just the basic story and once the journalism gets deeper we find out about felons, hookers, drugs, etc. The stories just tend to get more and more corrupt. I can only imagine how pissed Goodell is, because most of what he always talks about is "protecting the shield" and this certainly doesn't do that.

[Warner2BruceTD]

The amount of money is irrelevant. The entire concept of it is wrong. How far the Saints took it doesn't make it worse because more people were involved and more money.

It absolutely makes it worse.

It's been going on for decades and it's always been wrong. Now the NFL is doing something about it save face. They never cared when it was black dudes in a locker room paying to kill each other. Throw some suits into the equation, more money, and lawsuits and now the wants to act like they care.

Now you've gone off the deep end, dragging race into it.

[Warner2BruceTD]

It is interesting how these stories always seem to work. We always go from just the basic story and once the journalism gets deeper we find out about felons, hookers, drugs, etc. The stories just tend to get more and more corrupt. I can only imagine how pissed Goodell is, because most of what he always talks about is "protecting the shield" and this certainly doesn't do that.

Thing is, the NFL was on to them three years ago, Benson told the coaches to knock it off, and the coaching staff ignored their owner and the league.

This is why the Saints are in really deep shit, and there is a good chance Payton and Loomis will be ousted. The NFL is going to lay the hammer like never before, because not only did the Saints run this disgusting operation, but they ignored the league three years ago when they tried to quietly nip it in the bud.

Payton, Loomis, and Williams are creeps.

[bucky]

I think bucky has a bounty on W2B...rumor has it that another #1 seed paid bucky to make him crack, but W2B held up.

Bounty yes. Been messing with him for a couple of weeks. But it was because he had such a hard time letting go of last years tourney when I went in to the MMA thread to give him a hard time. He held onto that for a year and said something nasty about it a whole year later. So I targeted him a little bit lately.

Still wish him luck in this years tourney!!!!!!!

[Tailback U]

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Thing is, the NFL was on to them three years ago, Benson told the coaches to knock it off, and the coaching staff ignored their owner and the league.

This is why the Saints are in really deep shit, and there is a good chance Payton and Loomis will be ousted. The NFL is going to lay the hammer like never before, because not only did the Saints run this disgusting operation, but they ignored the league three years ago when they tried to quietly nip it in the bud.

Payton, Loomis, and Williams are creeps.

What about Vilma and the players that take part in this all across the league?

Do you think more blame should be placed on the coaches or the guys willing to take cash to actually injure other people? It's not like the coaches gave them an ultimatum, Williams, Peyton, Loomis, etc. are no different from the players that took part in it and have taken part of it in the past.

[Warner2BruceTD]

What about Vilma and the players that take part in this all across the league?

Do you think more blame should be placed on the coaches or the guys willing to take cash to actually injure other people? It's not like the coaches gave them an ultimatum, Williams, Peyton, Loomis, etc. are no different from the players that took part in it and have taken part of it in the past.

I'm not letting the players off the hook, especially Vilma who has been a shady character since college, but the coaches and the front office people involved in this should be held to a higher standard, and aside from even promoting it, should not have let it spiral out of control to this degree.

Loomis knew, was told by the league and Tom Benson to end it, and didn't. Same for Payton. There is rumor that Benson might just fire everybody at this point and start over.

In a lot of cases, these players are immature guys in their 20's who aren't the world's brightest minds. That's not me letting them off the hook, but 50-year old leaders of men need to be help more accountable.

[Tailback U]

LT pretty much saying exactly what I've been trying to say. I can't copy and paste it because I'm on my phone but here is the link:

http://m.nfl.com/news/09000d5d827642ad/jets-rb-tomlinson-accepts-bounty-system-as-part-of-the-game

I disagree with him that they shouldn't face stuff punishments. I think they should. The NFL has to. But it won't change anything in terms of player safety.

[ZoneBlitz]

Eliminating bounties will not make the players hit less hard, will not prevent players from celebrating big hits, will not stop players from trying to knock the shit out of each other, and will not affect player safety in any sort of way.