Top 5 Pass Rushers

[G-men]

1. DeMarcus Ware
2. Jared Allen
3. Julius Peppers
4. Jason Pierre-Paul
5. Trent Cole

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Take this FWIW, but of everyone people have mentioned so far here is how many sacks each player as had the last 2 years.

Ware - 35.0
Allen - 33.0
Babin - 30.5
Hali/Dumervil - 26.5
Suggs - 25.0
Wake - 22.5
JPP/T. Cole - 21.0 [16.5 last season]
Orakpo - 17.5
A. Smith - 14 in 1 year
V. Miller - 11.5 in 1 year

The one that stands out on that list is Jason Babin. A lot of people probably considered him a bust in Houston...and the guy has been around the league man...Houston, Seattle, KC, Philly, Tennessee, and now back in Philly again. Jim Washburn turned Babin into a manimal. A case study in coaching and scheme fit in the NFL.

[Slateman]

Kind of an odd stat...I would assume that it would favor the situational pass rusher, because he is only on the field in passing situations. Guys like Jared Allen are on the field all the time, so a play action pass on 1st down is going to add more "pass rush attempts" to his total. And there is no way a hit/hurry is .75 of a sack in terms of worth. I've seen QBs take hits and complete TD passes, but I've never seen a QB take a sack and complete a TD pass.

I've seen that formula as well and have wanted to know where they got the .75 number. It seems arbitrary.

[Blick]

The one that stands out on that list is Jason Babin. A lot of people probably considered him a bust in Houston...and the guy has been around the league man...Houston, Seattle, KC, Philly, Tennessee, and now back in Philly again. Jim Washburn turned Babin into a manimal. A case study in coaching and scheme fit in the NFL.

Yep. Here's a guy with first round upside but didn't realize that potential until his 8th year bouncing around the league.

[Aso]

Kind of an odd stat...I would assume that it would favor the situational pass rusher, because he is only on the field in passing situations. Guys like Jared Allen are on the field all the time, so a play action pass on 1st down is going to add more "pass rush attempts" to his total. And there is no way a hit/hurry is .75 of a sack in terms of worth. I've seen QBs take hits and complete TD passes, but I've never seen a QB take a sack and complete a TD pass.

I've seen that formula as well and have wanted to know where they got the .75 number. It seems arbitrary.

That .75 number is sort of out of nowhere imo. At the same time though QB's can be hit and throw an INT which I'd much rather have than a sack. I'd much rather look at the raw numbers of sacks, hurries, and hits, as well as the downs they played. Creating a sort of formula doesn't really make too much sense to me. I do love that site but the formula seems too far to me.

[Senser81]

Yep. Here's a guy with first round upside but didn't realize that potential until his 8th year bouncing around the league.

Kind of off-topic, but I think this shows how worthless Mel Kiper Jr. is.

The entire problem with Kiper and the draft prognostication field that he created is that they imagine players come out of college as known commodities. That a player's true ability and future performance are hidden traits, and the best teams are able to discern those if they look hard enough. It's 100% baloney.

How well a player performs is largely dependent on the coaching he receives after he's drafted, how hard he works, and whether he's given a chance to take advantage of his skills.

Folks like Kiper would have you believe that Tom Brady was a great QB and only Bill Belichick was able to see it, or that the rash of Bengals draft busts in the late 1990s was due to lousy scouting (as opposed to bad coaches and a lousy organization).

[Senser81]

That .75 number is sort of out of nowhere imo. At the same time though QB's can be hit and throw an INT which I'd much rather have than a sack.

But you don't know if the QB will throw and INT (or a TD, for that matter). Its like a batter talking a walk, and you saying you'd much rather have the batter not take a walk and instead hit a home run.

[Aso]

But you don't know if the QB will throw and INT (or a TD, for that matter). Its like a batter talking a walk, and you saying you'd much rather have the batter not take a walk and instead hit a home run.

Well the batter could strike out as well. Not a great great comparison just because in football whether QB X throws a TD or INT is of course dependent on the rest of the defense. If I'm evaluating a pass rusher I'd much rather look at all the numbers of when they were on the field (that site actually does keep track of every situation but you have to pay for it now, you didn't use to). So I'd much rather just say DE X had 80 QB disruptions total while OLB Y had 70, OLB Y was on the field for so many 3rd and longs while DE X was... etc. etc.

I just don't care enough at this point in my life to pay money just to absolutely know that so and so is a better pass rusher than someone else. I just don't care enough to pay the money.

EDIT: You use to be able to get sample 08 statistics and probably still can I bet. Not that anyone cares about who the better pass rushers were in the league 3-4 years ago.

[FirstTimer]

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-05-24/nfl-best-julius-peppers-jason-pierre-paul-justin-tuck-jared-allen

TSN had Peppers at the top of the list.

[Woy]

Yep. Here's a guy with first round upside but didn't realize that potential until his 8th year bouncing around the league.

Stop it.

He is only good in Washburn's system. Once again, Champ would rack up double-digit sacks if he played there.

[G-men]

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/stor...ck-jared-allen

TSN had Peppers at the top of the list.

Only ranking DEs though. I still think Ware tops the list if OLBs are included.

Also, lol at Justin Smith being above Jared Allen. Justin Smith isn't even the best pass rusher on his own team.

[trojan49er]

smh at Von Miller over Aldon Smith...Smith had more sacks, more QB hits, and more pressures in fewer snaps. Miller's a helluva pass rusher, dont get me wrong, but Smith had a bigger impact and, at least at this point, is a better pass rusher

[Villain]

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[Shayn•Da•Pain]

1. Ware
2. Allen
3. JPP
4. Aldon Smith
5. Jason Babin