PSU Freeh Report: Leaders Concealed Information & Did Not Act to Help Kids

[ram29jackson]

the ncaa cant do crap about it.

If they give a Death penalty.1000 innocent people lose jobs,the economy worsens.

The football team is the identity, you kill that you kill the State.

lack of institutional control is about paying players and giving fake grades. The NCAA has no business in this at all.

the bad seeds are gone and will be. Time to move on.


.....so, how many seniors does Michigan have now ? LOL I will root for Penn State, but I aint waiting 10 years while they struggle LOL

[JimLeavy59]

the ncaa cant do crap about it.

If they give a Death penalty.1000 innocent people lose jobs,the economy worsens.

The football team is the identity, you kill that you kill the State.

lack of institutional control is about paying players and giving fake grades. The NCAA has no business in this at all.

the bad seeds are gone and will be. Time to move on.


.....so, how many seniors does Michigan have now ? LOL I will root for Penn State, but I aint waiting 10 years while they struggle LOL

wtf are you on?

[ram29jackson]

wtf are you on?

until and unless the ncaa does anything, I am correct in everything I say.

[NAHSTE]

The football team is the identity.

No shit, this is the same misplacement of priorities that helped contribute to this mass cover-up in the first place. Clearly we should continue to uphold that fucked up belief system though, right?

[Rayman]

wtf are you on?

Welcome to VSN. Enjoy your stay.

[ram29jackson]

No shit, this is the same misplacement of priorities that helped contribute to this mass cover-up in the first place. Clearly we should continue to uphold that fucked up belief system though, right?

the priorities are the front office and the coaching staff. Not the players etc.

you dont penalize the football program as a whole nor the entire university.

[mgoblue2290]

The Death Penalty is awful harsh but the NCAA does need to make an example out of stuff like this to show that it absolutely won't be tolerated. Putting a fucking game ahead of the well being of children is terrible. It doesn't matter if any of those involved are at the school or not, the program needs to be punished.

[Rayman]

As W2B has been saying I'm not sure how you punish the university, because all of the people involved are no longer there. I can understand the desire though, so I guess some sort of punishment is inevitable.

Sorry. Missed this.

Who is being punished here if he Death Penalty is invoked? I'm curious.

[NAHSTE]

the priorities are the front office and the coaching staff. Not the players etc.

you dont penalize the football program as a whole nor the entire university.

The university President was the most active in the cover up. The head of the university. So yes, it was the entire university.

Not to mention the misguided and tone-deaf response of the student body and alumni in the wake of this. (Rioting, bitching about the manner in which JoePa was let go, wondering whether or not the library gets renamed and statue comes down, etc.)

I personally don't want Penn State to get the death penalty, but I understand why people are calling for it. For 15 years, every important figure at this university knew that children were being forced against their will to have a dick shoved up their asshole ... by the top assistant football coach ... IN THE FUCKING LOCKER ROOM ... AND IN THE COACHES OFFICES THREE DOORS DOWN FROM JOE PATERNO ... FOR FIFTEEN YEARS.

15 YEARS.

[ram29jackson]

The university President was the most active in the cover up. The head of the university. So yes, it was the entire university.

Not to mention the misguided and tone-deaf response of the student body and alumni in the wake of this. (Rioting, bitching about the manner in which JoePa was let go, wondering whether or not the library gets renamed and statue comes down, etc.)

I personally don't want Penn State to get the death penalty, but I understand why people are calling for it. For 15 years, every important figure at this university knew that children were being forced against their will to have a dick shoved up their asshole ... by the top assistant football coach ... IN THE FUCKING LOCKER ROOM ... AND IN THE COACHES OFFICES THREE DOORS DOWN FROM JOE PATERNO ... FOR FIFTEEN YEARS.

15 YEARS.

sorry , symbolism doesnt cut it..you mentioned individuals. Every person on campus does not need to be made an example of because of them. Just more blame game bullshit.

[Warner2BruceTD]

it doesnt matter if those people are gone. the school put these people in charge, these people represented Penn St, they allowed children to be raped...therefore the school allowed children to be raped

The Death Penalty is awful harsh but the NCAA does need to make an example out of stuff like this to show that it absolutely won't be tolerated. Putting a fucking game ahead of the well being of children is terrible. It doesn't matter if any of those involved are at the school or not, the program needs to be punished.

My problem with the "death penalty", is that who exactly are you 'teaching a lesson' to? The people responsible are either dead, in prison for 440 years, or about to be in prison. They fired everybody else, including the entire coaching staff.

So what or who would you be punishing? Brick & mortar? The idea of Penn St football? A dead guy?

To me, this is no longer a football issue. A death penalty makes no sense, and the NCAA has no place in this because it's a criminal investigation being handled by the people who need to handle it. Call the NCAA if they were changing grades or paying players. This is child rape, and people are concerned about football? I don't even think they should lose scholarships. I mean, who the fuck cares about scholarships? That nonsense is for improper benefits and football cheaters. Punishing the football program comes off petty, trite, and silly at this point. Put the rest of these fuckers in prison, that's what matters.

I just don't see what punishing a bunch of people who had nothing to do with this accomplishes. It's misplaced rage.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Penn St probably should have shut down their season last year, or at least refused the bowl invite.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

This goes so far beyond a lack of institutional control, this is an institution that aided and abetted in the destruction of child safety in and around the Penn State program and used their position to put themselves in the homes of tens of thousands of at-risk youths...basically, putting more children in danger than any institution this world has seen. They were essentially supporting a child sex trafficking scheme...

However, the NCAA will do nothing...

Hopefully, parents determine the ultimate judgement for Penn State...don't send your kids to this pedo supporting school. Grad rates can hit 8%, and the can have their accreditation taken away. To San Jose State level!

Pedo State Nittany Bears.







They should close the whole thing down.

[Maynard]

Penn St probably should have shut down their season last year, or at least refused the bowl invite.

a bowl invite? that should be the schools punishment for allowing children to be raped?

the school is responsible. the school hired these people to represent penn st. Their entire being, reputation and everything we know about Penn St is due to the people they put in charge. How can you say that the school inst responsible for the actions of the people they based their entire exsistance upon?

lets think of this on a smaller scale. Lets say i manage a moving company and I hire Joe Smith as my employee. Joe Smith works for me for 10 years and does a great job and is my most trusted employee. Then I find out Joe is robbing homes while moving peoples belongings.....Right there, as owner, i am responsible because my employee committed crimes while he was on the clock working for me.

But lets say I like Joe alot and I dont report his crimes. Now I am an accomplice...but Joe keep robbing people for the next 10 years while working for me. A few people report it but I do nothing because Joe is such a great worker and I like all the great things he brings to my companys reputation. Finally one day Joe is caught and prosecuted and they find out I knew about it and did nothing for 10 years while this went on.

Not only would I be prosecuted, but the company I managed would be sued and most likely got out of business.

Well, i am sure the school will be sued....the going out of business part will be up to the ncaa. imo, they should be shut down due to the severity and cover up of these crimes by the people they allowed to run their university

[shag773]

I'm glad to see that most of you have kept what has come out within it's proper perspective. However, just a few things...

First off, there are questions as to whether the NCAA even has the power to do anything to the program much less institute the death penalty. However I don't know if the recent findings about Paterno's role changes that. Personally, I don't see how you can give the death penalty here. They were pretty swift in removing all parties involved once all this came out. But I wouldn't be surprised if sanctions were set in place.

Secondly, I don't think it was too much to ask to wait until an investigation was completed to draw a conclusion. As I said in the trial thread, it turns out most of you were right, and Paterno was more involved than a lot of people even thought. I said I would discontinue my support for Paterno if the report implicated him in the cover up, and the report certainly did that. I am not going to defend his or anyone else's actions.

And lastly, I just want to say that I am still a proud Penn State fan. I still think it's a great university with enormous support from alumni. I believe we'll get through this still standing (sorry Larry).