UNC Scandal - 54 Fake Classes, 4 in 10 Football Players Enrolled in Major

[FirstTimer]

More offensive to me on a pure sports level.

Still idiotic.

On a "pure sports level" a sport/two sports contributed to widespread academic fraud.

On a "pure sports level" a sport contributed to the cover up of child rape and the protection of a serial child molester/rapist.

Your stance here is absurdly stupid.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Still idiotic.

On a "pure sports level" a sport/two sports contributed to widespread academic fraud.

On a "pure sports level" a sport contributed to the cover up of child rape and the protection of a serial child molester/rapist.

Your stance here is absurdly stupid.

Nah, you're just too dense to understand the stance, you don't even know what you are disagreeing with here.

[Senser81]

Illinois ... 2005 NCAA bball champs

[FirstTimer]

Nah, you're just too dense to understand the stance, you don't even know what you are disagreeing with here.

I actually do.

But as per the usual for you lately. Keep trying to defend your asinine view.

[Warner2BruceTD]

I actually do.

But as per the usual for you lately. Keep trying to defend your asinine view.

No, you don't.

You think i'm placing a greater importance of academic/sports issues as opposed to the criminal issues. In fact, i'm doing the opposite.

My focus all long during the PSU scandal was criminal related, where I believe it belonged. There was very little in the way of sports/academic related infractions at Penn St when compared to UNC.

I think it's highly insulting to the victims of the PSU scandal for people like you leading the picthfork brigade to be concerned with football punishments. Who cares about football when you are talking child rape? NCAA punishments should be for the type of stuff that has been going on at UNC. Not that PSU should not have been punished in some manner for institutional control issues, but I do believe the NCAA was in a tough position, and as a result over stepped their power to avoid a PR mess. Based on infractions involved, UNC, in theory, should face tougher sanctions than Penn St. At Penn St, people should go to prison and academic accreditation issues should at the very least be looked at. Apples/oranges, special circumstances, however you want to frame it.

So I say again..from a pure sports standpoint, i'm far more offended by this UNC story. Penn St was barely about sports for me, and it's kinda weird in my opinion that it was about sports for so many people.

You can disagree with that, and that's fine, but get the fucking argument right, gif boy.

[JeremyHight]

I don't see how you separate sports in either the UNC or the PSU case. At UNC, they were giving athletes better grades so that they could play and make the university look better than it actually was. At PSU, they were hiding crimes directly related to the athletic department in order to make the university look better that it actually was. Both were stupid, both were basically saying that on field production trumps any civil service, either as educators or as decent human beings. Both should receive similar penalties, imo.

[FirstTimer]

No, you don't.

You think i'm placing a greater importance of academic/sports issues as opposed to the criminal issues. In fact, i'm doing the opposite.

BZZZZZZZZZZZ

Wrong.

Again, no the raping and trafficking of children were not NCAA violations. Covering up multiple compliance issues and failing to report the crimes properly are NCAA violations. Why can't people grasp that?

I think it's highly insulting to the victims of the PSU scandal for people like you leading the picthfork brigade to be concerned with football punishments.

at this.

My top concern was always justice for the victim with the Sandusky trial. First and foremost. Also, I wasn't one of the "pitchfork" brigade. In fact I was bitched out here early in that Paterno thread for not carrying a pitchfork. Again, pull your head from your ass. From the big picture was the punishment of PSU and the football program "trivial" to a certain extent? Of course. Was it needed? Yes. But whatever, that's not the point since your pitchfork shit doesn't even really apply to me.

You can disagree with that, and that's fine, but get the fucking argument right, gif boy.

I got your argument fine. And it still sucks.

Saying compliance issue over academic fraud offend you more over compliance issues dealing with the cover up of children being raped is just plain stupid.

Stop.

[ralaw]

The Penn St story is about sports and criminal behavior......I don't know why that is so hard to grasp. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

Back on topic:
This story has been swept under the rug by the media and the NCAA. I suspect now that a big name (Roy Williams) and a couple of championships could be involved the media (ESPN) will start to pick the story up and focus on it. Once this happens the punishment will be more severe.

[FirstTimer]

Roy Williams will now miss this season due to "constant vertigo related symptoms"

[Warner2BruceTD]

From the big picture was the punishment of PSU and the football program "trivial" to a certain extent? Of course. Was it needed? Yes. But whatever, that's not the point...

No, actually that is the point. Think about what I am saying.

I got your argument fine. And it still sucks.

Saying compliance issue over academic fraud offend you more over compliance issues dealing with the cover up of children being raped is just plain stupid.

Stop.

Clearly, you don't.

From a sports perspective. Sports. Stuff with balls and scoreboards. UNC's sports infractions are more egregious than Penn St's. That's my stance. Not that academic fraud is more offensive to me than kid rape on a social level, which is what you keep implying, because of your debating style where you move goalposts.

[JeremyHight]

W2B, ask any player JoePa recruited since 1998 if they would even let him into the house if they knew he was covering up a child molestation scandal. The same could be said about any Penn State student (whether they are an athlete or not). Would they have decided to go to Penn State had they known that the university was covering up a child molester. They both have a ton to do with sports, whether it is being able to recruit kids or making sure they stay on the field, both schools put sports first above all other responsibilities.

[EmpireWF]

FT, he's just focusing on the players here and nothing else. Because the players at PSU were never in the wrong, it was the coaches and administrators.

Now move on you fuckers.

[seaplus]

NC State fans doing work. i didn't personally dig up anything but i will say it anyways because i want to take some credit for things other people did. you're welcome

[FirstTimer]

No, actually that is the point. Think about what I am saying.

No, it's not. You being pissed at people showing more outrage at PSU football than Jerry Sandusky doesn't somehow make the "offended" meter of a rationale human think that compliance issue of covering up rape



We get it. You think the PSU stuff went "with hunt" or whatever. That still doesn't make your view point on the UNC issue comparative to the PSU one any less dumb.

Clearly, you don't.

From a sports perspective. Sports. Stuff with balls and scoreboards. UNC's sports infractions are more egregious than Penn St's.

Yeah because clearly PSU sports played no role in the Sandusky cover up issue and the cover up didn't help PSU to keep players from being turned off/away from the university by the fact that the team/program had a serial child molester working for it. I'm sure PSU football wouldn't have suffered at all had the Sandusky stuff not been covered up...



UNC offered fake majors for sports reasons. Sandusky was protected for sports reasons.

You can keep trying to explain it but you'll keep on looking stupid.

, because of your debating style where you move goalposts.

Again, I haven't moved shit.

You just can't read.

Keep on with the clown show though. It's amusing.

[FirstTimer]

FT, he's just focusing on the players here and nothing else. Because the players at PSU were never in the wrong, it was the coaches and administrators.

Now move on you fuckers.

Well then clearly it's not sports related then!