UNC Scandal - 54 Fake Classes, 4 in 10 Football Players Enrolled in Major

[FedEx227]

Warner, there were athletic infractions going on though. Numerous, even beyond Sandusky. As the Freeh report stated, multiple crimes committed by PSU players were being covered up and handled internally.

[Warner2BruceTD]

W2B, ask any player JoePa recruited since 1998 if they would even let him into the house if they knew he was covering up a child molestation scandal. The same could be said about any Penn State student (whether they are an athlete or not). Would they have decided to go to Penn State had they known that the university was covering up a child molester. They both have a ton to do with sports, whether it is being able to recruit kids or making sure they stay on the field, both schools put sports first above all other responsibilities.

Not saying it had nothing to do with sports. Never said that. Never said the football program should go unpunished. But I do find it a bit creepy that people were so concerned with taking down statues and taking away bowl bids. For me, the story went well beyond the scope of football, and it became something more along the lines of people wanting to 'stick it' to the ambiguous idea of what Penn St used to be. Did we forget this was supposed to be about a child molester and the people who enabled him? Good thing the NCAA fixed all that, though.

Again, UNC's sports infractions are worse in my view. Nobody at UNC should go to prison. But UNC, like you said, should face similar sanctions. They won't, because the scope of the crimes obviously weighed in on the PSU sanctions, and the NCAA won't wan't to deal with critics like gif boy who don't understand the unique circumstances at PSU, and can't make a distinction between real world crimes and silly sports stuff. To me, that's not right.

[FirstTimer]

Top assistant coach at university has crimes covered up by the athletic director and head football coach for over a decade because of possible adverse effects on the school and football program.

No sports related things to be upset about!

Carry on!

[Warner2BruceTD]

Warner, there were athletic infractions going on though. Numerous, even beyond Sandusky. As the Freeh report stated, multiple crimes committed by PSU players were being covered up and handled internally.

Yes, there were.

Again, in my opinion, the UNC accusations are worse, on a sports level. I don't envy the NCAA here. It's a tricky spot on the heels (no pun intended) of the PSU thing.

[FirstTimer]

Not saying it had nothing to do with sports. Never said that. Never said the football program should go unpunished. But I do find it a bit creepy that people were so concerned with taking down statues and taking away bowl bids. For me, the story went well beyond the scope of football, and it became something more along the lines of people wanting to 'stick it' to the ambiguous idea of what Penn St used to be. Did we forget this was supposed to be about a child molester and the people who enabled him? Good thing the NCAA fixed all that, though.

Again, UNC's sports infractions are worse in my view. Nobody at UNC should go to prison. But UNC, like you said, should face similar sanctions. They won't, because the scope of the crimes obviously weighed in on the PSU sanctions, and the NCAA won't wan't to deal with critics like gif boy who don't understand the unique circumstances at PSU, and can't make a distinction between real world crimes and silly sports stuff. To me, that's not right.

Says the guy who's more offended for "pure sports reasons" about sports issues leading to academic fraud than them leading to child rape cover up.

[Dpfan21]

7 of the UNC basketball players who won the 2005 national championship were AFAM majors. Death penalty for the basketball program too!


Time for Maryland to rise to the top. Atleast we're honest about it and don't graduate our players

Give Illinois the title now

[FirstTimer]

Not saying it had nothing to do with sports. Never said that. Never said the football program should go unpunished. But I do find it a bit creepy that people were so concerned with taking down statues and taking away bowl bids. For me, the story went well beyond the scope of football, and it became something more along the lines of people wanting to 'stick it' to the ambiguous idea of what Penn St used to be. Did we forget this was supposed to be about a child molester and the people who enabled him? Good thing the NCAA fixed all that, though.

Again, UNC's sports infractions are worse in my view. Nobody at UNC should go to prison. But UNC, like you said, should face similar sanctions. They won't, because the scope of the crimes obviously weighed in on the PSU sanctions, and the NCAA won't wan't to deal with critics like gif boy who don't understand the unique circumstances at PSU, and can't make a distinction between real world crimes and silly sports stuff. To me, that's not right.

UNC having tons of ineligible players playing for them is worse in your mind than the AD and the most powerful coach in America covering up serial child molestation and rape for sports reasons?

[Warner2BruceTD]

UNC having tons of ineligible players playing for them is worse in your mind than the AD and the most powerful coach in America covering up serial child molestation and rape for sports reasons?

You still lack the ability to separate sports issues with social issues, and you still don't understand the point you are arguing against.

[EmpireWF]

Not saying it had nothing to do with sports. Never said that. Never said the football program should go unpunished. But I do find it a bit creepy that people were so concerned with taking down statues and taking away bowl bids. For me, the story went well beyond the scope of football, and it became something more along the lines of people wanting to 'stick it' to the ambiguous idea of what Penn St used to be. Did we forget this was supposed to be about a child molester and the people who enabled him? Good thing the NCAA fixed all that, though.

Most of that was about the culture developed by PSU that put football, the program and the main cast above morality. At least, any physical connection to Paterno that remained (the statue) was still a symbol to that past that the new people in charge at the university did not want a part of.

That...and the statue becoming ground zero to all the folks who are of the mindset of 'PSU against the world!!@!@!@!@!'

[Sportsbuck]

4 years of death penalty was on the table for PSU.

IF what is being reported turns out to be true, especially given that they are a repeat offender (for virtually the same kind of thing), gotta think some kind of death penalty is on the table for UNC.

[svetz17]

Hey guys.... THIS STORY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PENN STATE. If you want to argue which school should burn to the ground,MAKE A THREAD ABOUT IT.

This thread is about NORTH CAROLINA, UNC ONLY

[FirstTimer]

You still lack the ability to separate sports issues with social issues, and you still don't understand the point you are arguing against.

Pot meet kettle.

I understand your (horrible) point fine.

LOL at you trying to "separate" the issues when sports lead to Sandusky's crimes being covered up to begin with.

You trying to make the Sandusky/PSU scandal non sports related is absurd. It's directly sports related seeing as Sandusky used sports to lure the kids, he use athletic buildings and trips to molest kids, he was protected because of his contributions in sports, and the adverse issues that would arise from the story breaking to the sports program, and he was protected by the Athletic director and the most powerful coach in college sports, perhaps of all sports for over 10 years.

But yeah, keep trying to take sports out of it or separate it completely from his crimes/PSU cover up. You can't.

[Warner2BruceTD]

This may also be unpopular, but I also do not believe that Paterno willingly covered up Sandusky and knowingly allowed him to continue raping children. I believe Paterno was fine with the initial investigation that went nowhere, forced Sandusky out, and thought he was washing his hands of it. I think at the end of his life he realize he made a terrible mistake. I am not letting him off the hook, and I believe if alive he should have been investigated and potentially brought up on charges, but that is my view of how it went down.

I do not think Paterno was an evil man, condoning child rape and knowingly enabling Sandusky.

I also do not believe that the cover up benefited the program in the same way the UNC infractions have. I think that is overblown. Had this come out in 1998, Sandusky would have been in prison sooner, and PSU would have resumed business as usual.

[FirstTimer]

Hey guys.... THIS STORY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PENN STATE. If you want to argue which school should burn to the ground,MAKE A THREAD ABOUT IT.

This thread is about NORTH CAROLINA, UNC ONLY

Both?

;)

[FedEx227]

You could argue that covering this, in addition to the crimes commited by his players, certainly helped PSU's reputation as the "clean" school in big-time college football, no?