Why don't more teams run more no huddle?

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  • kmanharris
    Seven
    • Oct 2008
    • 6427

    #16
    Originally posted by bucky
    You have to have the QB for the No Huddle to work. NE has Brady, GB has Rodgers. That's probably one of the big reasons coaches don't do it more often.

    And you can't compare the No Huddle effectiveness at the end of each half to it being as successful during the rest of the game. Teams go into this conservative deep zone defenses at the end of games and allow underneath completions.

    It can be very effective if you have the right QB to run it. And it's at it's most effective when you can get a miss-match in defensive personal that the no huddle doesn't allow the defense to make any subs/adjustments.
    It's not like teams haven't run no huddle against normal defenses. Defenses will tire, the pass rush will slow, more things will open up. I don't really see a negative unless your offense scores too quickly, and is that really a negative?

    I also don't necessarily think you need an exceptional QB to run no huddle. IMO, the no huddle allows the QB to play without overthinking the situation and do what he does best, just play football. Of course it won't work for everyone but I have no doubt in my mind it can be highly effective, even if the defense isn't running a soft coverage.

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    • bucky
      #50? WTF?
      • Feb 2009
      • 5408

      #17
      Originally posted by kmanharris
      It's not like teams haven't run no huddle against normal defenses. Defenses will tire, the pass rush will slow, more things will open up. I don't really see a negative unless your offense scores too quickly, and is that really a negative?
      You have to have the QB that can call the right plays or your no huddle is going nowhere and you end up tiring out your own defense. You are assuming that the no huddle is automatically effective. It isn't. The no huddle has to be effective for the things you say to actually happen. And really, the more time your defense is on the sideline, the more effective your team is going to be.

      Originally posted by kmanharris
      I also don't necessarily think you need an exceptional QB to run no huddle. IMO, the no huddle allows the QB to play without overthinking the situation and do what he does best, just play football. Of course it won't work for everyone but I have no doubt in my mind it can be highly effective, even if the defense isn't running a soft coverage.
      The QB needs to THINK EVEN MORE in the no huddle. When you say exceptional, the QB doesn't have to be some strong armed gunslinger, but he has to be able to call effective plays, recognizing what the defense is trying to do. You most definitely need the right QB for it to be effective. That's why the Bills made it so famous in Buffalo - Jim Kelly.

      And really, the most effective no huddle offense outside of the end of half and games, is the "no hurry up" no huddle offense. The one where the QB takes his time at the line of scrimmage calling a play, making an audible, taking time off the clock, getting first downs, giving his own defense a rest. That particular "non hurry up" no huddle offense is really to keep the defense in an unfavorable personal match-up.

      So you always go into your "hurry up" no huddle, you are out in 3 plays, punt, your defense gets no rest at all on the sideline and has to come right back on the field. Advantage other team.

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      • ram29jackson
        Noob
        • Nov 2008
        • 0

        #18
        its cute when children try to sound smart about football logic


        this aint college kiddy's, you dont want to tire out you RBs and linemen

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        • Warner2BruceTD
          2011 Poster Of The Year
          • Mar 2009
          • 26142

          #19
          The reason offenses seem more efficient when using the no huddle at the end of halfs, is not because they are in the no huddle, its because they're usually not facing base defenses. Those chunks of yardage are a result of deep zones more than "hurrying up". The idea of using the no huddle in these situations is rooted in clock management, not because its a magical scheme that makes yards come easy. If simply going no huddle in any context resulted in confused & tired defenses, nobody would ever use a huddle to begin with.

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          • Hasselbeck
            Jus' bout dat action boss
            • Feb 2009
            • 6175

            #20
            Originally posted by ram29jackson
            its cute when children try to sound smart about football logic

            this aint college kiddy's, you dont want to tire out you RBs and linemen
            Because in college the RB's and linemen don't get tired?

            Originally posted by ram29jackson
            I already said months ago that Seattle wasn't winning any SB

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            • Villain
              [REDACTED]
              • May 2011
              • 7768

              #21
              Hasn't Peyton Manning essentially made a career out of running the no-huddle? Same with Palmer?
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              • ram29jackson
                Noob
                • Nov 2008
                • 0

                #22
                Originally posted by Hasselbeck
                Because in college the RB's and linemen don't get tired?

                nope, not as much LOL they are younger and smaller after all

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                • Houston
                  Back home
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 21231

                  #23
                  I don't know, it works pretty good for me in Madden.

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                  • MvP
                    a member of vsn
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 8227

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Primetime
                    Packers consistently run no huddle and it allows for so many opportunities, especially with substitution penalties against the opposing team.
                    Yeah, part of the reason why the Packers offense struggled the first month of the season was because the replacement refs kept slowing the game down after every play, which didn't allow Rodgers to efficiently run a no-huddle.

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                    • KINGOFOOTBALL
                      Junior Member
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 10343

                      #25
                      Defenses have direct communication with the DC now so the odds of bad personnel and matchups occurring is nowhere near what it once was.

                      Offenses get fatigued , and defenses that dont rest get fatigued so its an overstated factor. At the end of the day its all about playcalling and execution. No huddle demands WR/QB/C to all be perfectly in sync. Teams that run it well usually have bright guys at all 3. You can pick a team apart for 50 yards then a WR misreads the coverage or the C calls out the wrong guy and your QB is getting murdered or throwing it to the other team (see Dallas in just about every game ).
                      Lastly DC are conservative. Theres only a few guys in this league with the balls,confidence,and talent to throw crazy blitz packages at you late in games. Most will opt for softer coverage and 'bend but dont break' calls late in halves when teams are eager to take it deep.
                      Best reason to have a license.

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                      • Maynard
                        stupid ass titles
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 17876

                        #26
                        Originally posted by ram29jackson
                        nope, not as much LOL they are younger and smaller after all
                        you are such an idiot

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                        • Hasselbeck
                          Jus' bout dat action boss
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 6175

                          #27
                          Originally posted by ram29jackson
                          nope, not as much LOL they are younger and smaller after all
                          98% of your posts provide this:

                          Originally posted by ram29jackson
                          I already said months ago that Seattle wasn't winning any SB

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                          • ram29jackson
                            Noob
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 0

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Hasselbeck
                            98% of your posts provide this:

                            the only thing most of my posts prove is some people are dumb enough to respond.

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                            • Len B
                              :moonwalk:
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 13598

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Warner2BruceTD
                              The reason offenses seem more efficient when using the no huddle at the end of halfs, is not because they are in the no huddle, its because they're usually not facing base defenses. Those chunks of yardage are a result of deep zones more than "hurrying up". The idea of using the no huddle in these situations is rooted in clock management, not because its a magical scheme that makes yards come easy. If simply going no huddle in any context resulted in confused & tired defenses, nobody would ever use a huddle to begin with.
                              Was going to say this. The Cowboys offense looked 'great' that final drive, but do you know what every play was?

                              8 yard curl to Witten
                              8 yard out to Witten
                              8 yard curl to Witten
                              5 yard pass to Jones

                              Teams aren't stupid on defense, if they are up by more than one score and time isn't on your side, they will give you the first 10 yards and let you play street ball.

                              If the Cowboys tried that shit all game, it wouldn't be a true no huddle since Romo would take 30 seconds to tell his RB to do something before he threw a pick into the MLB'ers hands.

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                              • ram29jackson
                                Noob
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 0

                                #30
                                Originally posted by ram29jackson
                                the only thing most of my posts prove is some people are dumb enough to respond. now excuse me while i put some balls in my mouth.
                                changing my posts because you have no intellectual defense superior to my thoughts, proves what a fool you are.

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