Rutgers & Maryland Join Big Ten

[Atlas]

What was the SEC's new deal compared to their old deal? Just curious what the increase was.

I think they were getting $18 mill per year, per school and now they are getting around $28 mill per year, per school...

edit: another thing to consider with the ACC is how pissed the football schools were that the ACC didn't let the schools retain their 3rd tier rights, where schools like FSU and Clemson could have made an additional $10 mill per year...

[Senser81]

I think they were getting $18 mill per year, per school and now they are getting around $28 mill per year, per school...

Do you have a link/source?

Also, was the $10M increase due to the SEC gaining the St. Louis and Texas Tumbleweed markets? If the SEC had added, say, FSU and Clemson instead of TAMU & Mizzou, would they have only gotten a $5M increase due to lack of 'market exposure'?

[Atlas]

Do you have a link/source?

Also, was the $10M increase due to the SEC gaining the St. Louis and Texas Tumbleweed markets? If the SEC had added, say, FSU and Clemson instead of TAMU & Mizzou, would they have only gotten a $5M increase due to lack of 'market exposure'?

I'm on my phone right now, so no, but I'm going by what I have seen/read over the past year (they may still be negotiating, since Slive is deadset on launching the SEC network by 2014 and that will cause some issues)... And in short, yes, it was b/c of the added markets and the millions of potential subscribers they have a chance of getting to sign on... Go back to when the ACC raided the Big East the first time, getting VT and Miami, which where no brainers, and then passing over an established football power for BC (b/c they wanted the market and not the athletics prowess)... UF, UGA and USCe want no part of FSU, GT and Clemson in the SEC, mostly for recruiting, but they also understand the electronic footprint of the conference is more important than adding the best available football teams (case in point, adding Mizzou over WVU or Louisville)... TV markets and their impact on TV deals rules the day right now, so we kind of all have to fall in line and deal with it...

[Sportsbuck]

There's talk of UNC to the B1G

[Atlas]

There's talk of UNC to the B1G

UVA and GT have been reaching out to the b1g for a while (GT also is talking to the b12), but if they take UNC and UVA, the ACC is dunzo, b/c VT and NCSU will bolt for the SEC and GT, FSU and Clemson will likely be a part of the b12 (along with some combo of Miami, Louisville, Pitt, Cincy, and maybe even ND)...

[JimLeavy59]

Notre Dame better win the title this year because after this shake up they might be fucked in long term.

[Argath]

Atlas has pretty much hit the nail on the head. Location boundaries mean nothing to conferences anymore and the general consensus with the SEC is that they will move west or North before they take another team from the East. It's been well noted that teams like Clemson, and FSU would go into the SEC but the SEC doesnt want them due to already controlling those markets. All those teams would add, in the eyes of other schools, is just competition for recruiting which is why they always get voted down.

When they talk about markets theyre not just talking about media markets which is what was difficult for me to wrap my head around. They're talking about recruiting markets as well. So yes conferences get paid for teams success, what's the best way to achieve that success? Put all the talent from a state on one school instead of spreading it out between 2-3 schools. That's why FSU, GT, and Clemson will never be added into the SEC but teams like UVA or VT and NC State might in the future.

[Argath]

I've also heard talk of UNC going to the Big10 as well. Who would be the 2nd school in the pair would be the question. I've heard talk of Duke only because UNC always sees themselves as a package deal with Duke. UVA would be a logical choice for the Big10 and it definitely has the academic prestige.

[Senser81]

Atlas has pretty much hit the nail on the head. Location boundaries mean nothing to conferences anymore and the general consensus with the SEC is that they will move west or North before they take another team from the East. It's been well noted that teams like Clemson, and FSU would go into the SEC but the SEC doesnt want them due to already controlling those markets. All those teams would add, in the eyes of other schools, is just competition for recruiting which is why they always get voted down.

So you think the SEC would benefit more from a conference matchup of Georgia vs. BYU/Air Force matchup than a Georgia vs. FSU matchup? Wouldn't the Georgia/FSU matchup draw better TV ratings? Wouldn't CBS pay more money for that game than for a Georgia/BYU game? Or are you saying that only people in Georgia/Florida would watch the Georgia/FSU game, whereas a Georgia/BYU game would draw a national audience?

And what do you mean when you say "the SEC already controlls those markets"...do FSU and Clemson people no longer watch their teams, instead tuning to the Florida and S.Carolina games?

When they talk about markets theyre not just talking about media markets which is what was difficult for me to wrap my head around. They're talking about recruiting markets as well. So yes conferences get paid for teams success, what's the best way to achieve that success? Put all the talent from a state on one school instead of spreading it out between 2-3 schools. That's why FSU, GT, and Clemson will never be added into the SEC but teams like UVA or VT might in the future.

So, with this logic, schools like FSU, GT, and Clemson don't recruit in-state talent right now because they are not in the SEC, but if they were added to the SEC, then all of the sudden schools like UF/UGA/USC would be hurt by their presence?

[Argath]

Notre Dame better win the title this year because after this shake up they might be fucked in long term.

Not in football. If it does come to a playoff system between 4 major conferences then they might join a conference but they'll probably be able to join whatever conference they want. Theyre sitting pretty right now.

[NAHSTE]

NC State and Mizzou ending up in the SEC is like two fat chicks who somehow get in the wrong limo leaving the club.

[Senser81]

NC State and Mizzou ending up in the SEC is like two fat chicks who somehow get in the wrong limo leaving the club.

And unfortunately for Mizzou, they had to step out of the limo this year.

[Argath]

So you think the SEC would benefit more from a conference matchup of Georgia vs. BYU/Air Force matchup than a Georgia vs. FSU matchup? Wouldn't the Georgia/FSU matchup draw better TV ratings? Wouldn't CBS pay more money for that game than for a Georgia/BYU game? Or are you saying that only people in Georgia/Florida would watch the Georgia/FSU game, whereas a Georgia/BYU game would draw a national audience?

And what do you mean when you say "the SEC already controlls those markets"...do FSU and Clemson people no longer watch their teams, instead tuning to the Florida and S.Carolina games?



So, with this logic, schools like FSU, GT, and Clemson don't recruit in-state talent right now because they are not in the SEC, but if they were added to the SEC, then all of the sudden schools like UF/UGA/USC would be hurt by their presence?

I completely understand what you're saying and it was hard for me to get my head around it all. The conferences arent looking for the best matchups and honestly I bet they could care less.

What I meant by recruiting was that UF and Georgia can say "hey, were the only SEC school in this state come play in the SEC." Not to mention though adding Clemson will give the SEC probably the last 1/3 or whatever population that doesn't pay attention to the SEC in South Carolina it doesn't compare to say adding VT which gives you a whole new state for spreading your influence. Both options have positive outcomes but VT has the potential to bring more fans due to being in a new state with no other SEC school.

[NAHSTE]

I completely understand what you're saying and it was hard for me to get my head around it all. The conferences arent looking for the best matchups and honestly I bet they could care less.

What I meant by recruiting was that UF and Georgia can say "hey, were the only SEC school in this state come play in the SEC." Not to mention though adding Clemson will give the SEC probably the last 1/3 or whatever population that doesn't pay attention to the SEC in South Carolina it doesn't compare to say adding VT which gives you a whole new state for spreading your influence. Both options have positive outcomes but VT has the potential to bring more fans due to being in a new state with no other SEC school.

There is some truth to this theory. Texas A&M's win over Alabama was the highest rated game in Texas that weekend, and the second most viewers came from the Austin market. I just wish the conference would find a middle ground between what is an obvious cash-grab and what is best for preserving tradition. NC State brings literally nothing to the table, IMO. The size of the "market" we'd be adding is negligible, culturally they wouldn't fit in, and competitively they are shit in football and have been largely "meh" in basketball.

[Argath]

There is some truth to this theory. Texas A&M's win over Alabama was the highest rated game in Texas that weekend, and the second most viewers came from the Austin market. I just wish the conference would find a middle ground between what is an obvious cash-grab and what is best for preserving tradition. NC State brings literally nothing to the table, IMO. The size of the "market" we'd be adding is negligible, culturally they wouldn't fit in, and competitively they are shit in football and have been largely "meh" in basketball.

They're a top10 team in basketball raking in some great recruiting classes each year. I wouldn't be surprised to see them in the elite 8 or final 4 in the next 2-3 years tops.