Jets Trade Revis To Bucs For 1st Rounder, 6y/$96m, No Guaranteed Money

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  • JBregz
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    • Nov 2008
    • 3837

    #46
    Originally posted by 1ke
    Yes. ACL injuries aren't as frightening as they used to be. They just don't ruin careers like they used to.

    Like I said, I get it. I get why they did it. Now its wait and see time.

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    Al Harris and Dominique Foxworth are a couple corners in recent history that I can remember that ended their careers. CBs require more lateral movement and stress on their knees than almost any other position. With the change of direction, backpedaling, etc.

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    • 1ke
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      • Mar 2009
      • 6641

      #47
      Originally posted by JBregz
      Al Harris and Dominique Foxworth are a couple corners in recent history that I can remember that ended their careers. CBs require more lateral movement and stress on their knees than almost any other position. With the change of direction, backpedaling, etc.
      I don't remember All blowing out his knee? Hmmm, was it towards the end of his run? Either way....I'm still say in Revis will come back fine.

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      • Juggernaut
        Sitting on the Sidelines
        • Dec 2008
        • 5670

        #48
        Sad to see him go, but the move was necessary. The Jets need to blow shit up, endure a horrendous season, and start to rebuild.

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        • JimLeavy59
          War Hero
          • May 2012
          • 7199

          #49
          Harris blew out both knees if I'm right.

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          • Aso
            The Serious House
            • Nov 2008
            • 11137

            #50
            Originally posted by JBregz
            And that was four years ago when he was 24 years old and didn't have major ACL surgery to his knee. I can think of two CB's who were once very solid options to their team and now are out of the league because of it: Dominique Foxworth (has had like 3+ surgeries since I believe before retiring) and Al Harris (became slow, useless for us and tore another ACL in the process). Before that? Both great options at corner.

            It's hard to justify CB's that type of elite QB money.

            Starting CBs that have won SB's the past 5 seasons:
            Corey Graham, Cary Williams
            Corey Webster, Aaron Ross (was this the year Giants had big issues in the secondary?)
            Charles Woodson, Tramon Williams (Only strong CB duo out of this list imo)
            Jabari Greer, Tracy Porter
            Ike Taylor, Bryant McFadden

            Just something to think about.
            Never said you had to have great CB's to win a Superbowl but it definitely helps if you do.

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            • Aso
              The Serious House
              • Nov 2008
              • 11137

              #51
              No one seems to understand that the Bucs gave him a physical and everything at their own facility. If they didn't feel comfortable with his health then they wouldn't have made this move. They obviously felt 100% comfortable with his health. The injury is being way overstated as is the "CB's don't mean anything so you might as well play a couple of average players" bullshit.

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              • Aso
                The Serious House
                • Nov 2008
                • 11137

                #52
                Originally posted by ralaw
                This is a great point because by the time the Bucs are ready to compete for a championship Revis will be on the decline. For a team on the cusp of winning a SB I could understand making this move, but this team's success is predicated on the development of Freeman and the offense.
                They were 7-9 last year. In a day when we've seen teams go from 1-15 to 11-5 I think you're a little off. The biggest weakness for the Bucs was their pass defense. Opposing offenses completed about 65% of their passes, 30 td's, and almost 5,000 pass yards. If Revis is what he was then those numbers should dramatically change. With already having the reigning #1 run defense adding a CB of this caliber gives the Bucs defense potential to be one of the better defenses in this league.

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                • JBregz
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                  • Nov 2008
                  • 3837

                  #53
                  Originally posted by Aso21Raiders
                  Never said you had to have great CB's to win a Superbowl but it definitely helps if you do.
                  No but it proves you don't need to spend that type of money on CB's. That money could have been spent somewhere else all while improving their CB situation with value signings.

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                  • JBregz
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                    • Nov 2008
                    • 3837

                    #54
                    Originally posted by Aso21Raiders
                    Never said you had to have great CB's to win a Superbowl but it definitely helps if you do.
                    No but it proves you don't need to spend that type of money on CB's. That money could have been spent somewhere else all while improving their CB situation with value signings.

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                    • Aso
                      The Serious House
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 11137

                      #55
                      Originally posted by JBregz
                      No but it proves you don't need to spend that type of money on CB's. That money could have been spent somewhere else all while improving their CB situation with value signings.
                      Those defenses had great players rushing the QB and great players around them. Let's just go out get elite players like Harrison and Woodley and then still get a player like Ike Taylor.

                      I don't doubt playing with Terrell Suggs, Haloti Ngata, Ray Lewis, and Ed Reed would make playing CB a lot easier...

                      It's not as black and white as you make it to be. Where are they suppose to go to bring on board 3 elite players at other positions. How would they do that...?

                      Revis has proven to be able to have the effect on a defense to cover up so many holes. The Jets didn't have any elite pass rushers and in '09 didn't have shit at CB on the other side. Didn't matter. The Jets could blitz and roll a safety to the other side of the field and automatically make teams top target a non-factor.

                      That post proved shit. You're right you don't need great corners when you have stars at other places... I agree... Where are you suppose to be going with this?

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                      • dave
                        Go the fuck outside
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 15492

                        #56
                        At least $32 million is guaranteed. No way Bucs walk away from Revis in year one or two.

                        If Revis is Revis after the injury, this is a great deal for the Bucs. They just have to let him be Revis and don't try to change him like the Eagles did with Asoughma.

                        No player the Jets take in this draft will ever replace Revis if he's still Revis ... and clearly no player will replace the real Revis with next year's 3rd round pick or 4th round pick.

                        This is simply a good gamble for the Bucs. If he fails, so be it. Shit happens. If he succeeds, an incredible trade.
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                        • sraczk2011
                          West Coast Bias
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 371

                          #57
                          Originally posted by JimLeavy59
                          This would be a good move if the Bucs were contenders in the NFC.
                          But what if the only thing holding them back from contending was their pass defense? They were last in yards allowed last season, so it's plausible.

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                          • EmpireWF
                            Giants in the Super Bowl
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 24082

                            #58
                            Originally posted by dave
                            No player the Jets take in this draft will ever replace Revis if he's still Revis ... and clearly no player will replace the real Revis with next year's 3rd round pick or 4th round pick.
                            Didn't Cromartie step up big time after Revis went down last season?


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                            • dave
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                              • Oct 2008
                              • 15492

                              #59
                              Originally posted by EmpireWF
                              Didn't Cromartie step up big time after Revis went down last season?
                              Not knocking Cromartie, but did he really? There was no Cromartie Island, just a good corner who did the best he could in the situation, IMO.
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                              • JBregz
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                                • Nov 2008
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                                #60
                                Originally posted by Aso21Raiders
                                Those defenses had great players rushing the QB and great players around them. Let's just go out get elite players like Harrison and Woodley and then still get a player like Ike Taylor.
                                You brought up my point in your post lol. you don't need to spend 16 million dollars on CB's to win a championship, hell you don't even need good ones. You need a strong offense and a front 7 that can disrupt the QB and slow down the offense, so long as you have serviceable corners you're good to go. Bucs could have and should have went that route.

                                I don't understand how you aren't getting what I am saying.

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