is Jonathan Martin a dumb ass or did someone do something to him worth talking about?

[riley420]

Who is the leader on that team?

Mike Wallace? Tannehill?

A big reason this shit went on for so long is that there wasn't another veteran who stepped in and told him to cut the shit. Bullies are bullies until they get told to STFU.

[Warner2BruceTD]

The worm is starting to turn on Martin the more & more we see being reported.

Not that i'm letting Incognito off the hook, because he's been a mental case since college, through his tenure with the Rams, and right up until to point. He's mentally unstable and not a good person. I don't need to be in the locker room or know him personally to know that. I am a firm believer in smoke = fire, and in the case of Incognito, it's not even smoke, it's flames.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Martin is going to end up costing himself a lot more than Incognito will lose in this.

Who is going to want Martin in their locker room after this shit?

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

I'm not knocking Martin for not fighting. Especially when a fine and suspension could easily come from it. But one does wonder if one swift kick to the balls may have curtailed incognitos idiocy sooner. What noone has mentioned is fighting back isn't just about dominance. It's about a pansy being able to "tell" on the bully without being perceived as a bitch. He walks up and clocks this dude in front of the team they'll both be talking to coaches etc and he can easily say we'll he said he wants to poop in my mouth and kill my mom. Then if anything happens Martin can sue the shit out of the Dolphins and have Goodell fired so teams can start running the ball again.
Every bodys happy.

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Double

[Pitty]

Sources coming out saying Martin never approached anyone and other players saying this happens all over the league, ending when the younger guys stand up to the vets. :yadontsay:

"At this level, you're a man. You're not a little boy. You're not a freshman in college. You're a man." "I think everything has its limits, so there's no way that another man is going to make me pay for something that I choose not to pay for." - Antrel Rolle

But don't tell Incognito to stop, because he'll pound you into mush, amirite?

[Argath]

and tailback, why do you keep calling me a pussy? isnt that the same behavior your are saying isnt ok? i never called you a name or insulted you. i wasnt even refering to you or directing comment to you. But you come in and start using derogatory terms and throwing insults at me. seems hypocritical to take a stance against what you call bullying name calling, and then use those same insults to make your point.

We've already established that Tailback is an ex-bully and Jonathan Martin has found a soft spot in his heart because after all, who can relate more with bullied victims than a self-proclaimed ex-bully?


and for everyone asking who are the leaders of the team... Incognito was the leader of the offensive lineum on their Leadership Council or whatever they call it


:themoreyouknow: should be a smiley

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Sources coming out saying Martin never approached anyone and other players saying this happens all over the league, ending when the younger guys stand up to the vets. :yadontsay:



But don't tell Incognito to stop, because he'll pound you into mush, amirite?

Antrel is also a double hard motherfucker. He probably told somebody to fuck off after the first day of practice. But, it holds true...if you are #SAWFT you will be walked all over...if you are a hard motherfucker, no one is taking a dime of your money unless you let them.

Bullying is a two way street.

[Rayman]

Who is the leader on that team?

Mike Wallace? Tannehill?

A big reason this shit went on for so long is that there wasn't another veteran who stepped in and told him to cut the shit. Bullies are bullies until they get told to STFU.

Richie Incognito.

[Rayman]

Martin is going to end up costing himself a lot more than Incognito will lose in this.

Who is going to want Martin in their locker room after this shit?

Did it ever occur to you that maybe Martin doesn't want to play football anymore? That maybe he never really did to begin with?

I'm not knocking Martin for not fighting. Especially when a fine and suspension could easily come from it. But one does wonder if one swift kick to the balls may have curtailed incognitos idiocy sooner. What noone has mentioned is fighting back isn't just about dominance. It's about a pansy being able to "tell" on the bully without being perceived as a bitch. He walks up and clocks this dude in front of the team they'll both be talking to coaches etc and he can easily say we'll he said he wants to poop in my mouth and kill my mom. Then if anything happens Martin can sue the shit out of the Dolphins and have Goodell fired so teams can start running the ball again.
Every bodys happy.

See Charles Haley vs. Chad Hennings

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Did it ever occur to you that maybe Martin doesn't want to play football anymore? That maybe he never really did to begin with?

Then stop playing.

[Rayman]

Then stop playing.

Why, when you can go through the motions and get paid anyway?

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Why, when you can go through the motions and get paid anyway?

Then get harassed and bullied because you're soft and people know you're easily taken advantage of...just don't bitch about it after the fact.

It really is a simple concept...you want to play football...play. If not...don't. But, if you want to play, and are soft because you don't want to play, don't get upset when your teammates use you like a mark and treat you like shit.

[f16harm]

More and more I read through out the day, more I think Incognito is the scapegoat for Martin who knows he doesn't like football, doesn't have the balls to quit like a man, and knows he has some mental problems going on. Incognito's background and personality set him up great for it. And you have the mainstream media eating this shit up because Incognito has always been the loud one, and Martin the softy. Gotta remember, Martin is highly intelligent and comes from a smart, well off, high society type family. Martin isn't one of your Miami, USC, Alabama, LSU type players. He's a Stanford, Yale, Harvard type player.

However, of these two men, one has reached out to Ricky Williams for advice. Guess which one? I'll give you a hint, not the one who quit and walked away.....

[Tailback U]

your judging a culture that has been in place for 50 or more years. just because 1 guy all of a sudden cries about it, that doesnt make everyone else bad people. it also doesnt make it wrong. How many times have people cried about the pussification of the NFL or society. You gonna sit there and tell me a grown man cant handle his business without crying about it in the media? If martin had an issue he should have handled it himself. But now, he created a shitstorm and allowing people who have no knowledge of a locker room to act they have a say as to what goes on.

You're acting like you know more about the culture than anyone else here. Secondly, I really don't give a shit about what the "culture" of the NFL is. If that is the culture then it is wrong.

Thirdly, Incognito created this shit storm, not Martin. Could Martin have handled this better? Sure, but it's not easy to go tattle tale. I'm sure he wishes he handled it a little bit better but clearly he wasn't thinking straight for obvious reasons.

and tailback, why do you keep calling me a pussy? isnt that the same behavior your are saying isnt ok? i never called you a name or insulted you. i wasnt even refering to you or directing comment to you. But you come in and start using derogatory terms and throwing insults at me. seems hypocritical to take a stance against what you call bullying name calling, and then use those same insults to make your point.

I'm calling you a pussy because you're acting like a coward. It's really easy to blame the "big weirdo" who is socially awkward and has no friends and "cried" to the media. A real man would place the blame on the bully at fault. Coward move to use the "we don't understand their culture, it's not fair to judge them" excuse.

I'd love to know how you feel about prison culture. Are you totally ok with it? Guys getting their asses kicked and fucked for no reason at all, just because they're "fresh meat." We as human beings shouldn't hold others to a higher standard?