Vick THINKS he is entitled to $10,000,000.00 per year

[ThunderHorse]

Again. Vick was a player that ONLY played the QB position. If he was not a great QB it is logically impossible for him to be a "great player" because the only position he played, QB, he was not "great" at.

Your looking at it from a window and I think you know it...

The only reason people feel Vick was a bad quarterback was because of the fact that you believe the Quarterback position has to be played a certain way.

granted, I believe it has to be played a certain way too.

but if you run an option style offense and the quarterback has shit for numbers passing wise... does that make him a bad player?

comeon, just because a guy doesn't have a great passing stat doesn't mean he isn't important to his team or good at his position.

[Senser81]

It sure as hell seems like it. Theres not too many people that talk down on Vick just to prove a point without hating him. Am I wrong? Maybe me being a Falcons fan, I've seen it more than you have.

Are you EVER going to enter the discussion about Mike Vick the football player? Or are you just going to continue to flame people, then deny culpability when you are called out.

Back under the bridge, troll.

People keep insisting that Vick was a great football player, I disagree and back up my statement with facts. Sorry if I am 'hating'.

[ThunderHorse]

It sure as hell seems like it. Theres not too many people that talk down on Vick just to prove a point without hating him. Am I wrong? Maybe me being a Falcons fan, I've seen it more than you have.

yea...

its just the fact that I think a lot of people are bitter or have other issues with him...

granted, no one ever says he was a great passer, to say he was a bad player is just being a hater.

like saying Manning is a bad player for his failures in the playoffs, or Brady is a bad player for his failure in the playoffs after the Patriot Defense began to age.

Brett Favre is a failure because hes the all time Interception leader.

Barry Sanders is a failure because he leads the league in all time negative rushes and rushing yards.

Granted, I'd understand the flaming if someone had dared to say Vick was the greatest quarterback to ever play... but to shit all over him just because of the fact that people think he was a pretty good player, doesn't fail to amaze me.

[Senser81]

yea...

its just the fact that I think a lot of people are bitter or have other issues with him...

Right, because people who talk about facts, reality, what actually happened, etc. in regards to Vick are going overboard with their hatred, while Vick fanboys who suggest that anyone who says a kind word about Matt Ryan must also be engaging in oral sex with Ryan are the modicum of reason.

like saying Manning is a bad player for his failures in the playoffs, or Brady is a bad player for his failure in the playoffs after the Patriot Defense began to age.

Brett Favre is a failure because hes the all time Interception leader.

Barry Sanders is a failure because he leads the league in all time negative rushes and rushing yards.

Good comparisons...Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Barry Sanders...Ron Mexico!

[FirstTimer]

Your looking at it from a window and I think you know it...

No, I'm looking at it as Vick only ever played the QB position....

The only reason people feel Vick was a bad quarterback was because of the fact that you believe the Quarterback position has to be played a certain way.

No. I named other running threat QB's that were EASILY far and away better than Vick.
Tarkenton, Young, and Cunningham>>>>>>>>Vick.

but if you run an option style offense and the quarterback has shit for numbers passing wise... does that make him a bad player?

comeon, just because a guy doesn't have a great passing stat doesn't mean he isn't important to his team or good at his position.

And just because he has good inflated rushing numbers and wins a few games doesn't mean he is good either.

You said it yourself. Vick was not a great QB. It was the only position he ever played. There is no way Vick can then be labeled a great player because he was not great at the ONLY POSITION HE PLAYED.

Bobby Douglass was a hell of a runner as a QB, but no one, and I mean no one would ever say he was "a great QB." Simply because Vick excelled at one part of the game doesn't mean he was "great" overall. Like it or not the QB position has certain job requirements, stigmas, expectations etc required of it. Vick did not fulfill those, especially as a passer which is pretty much the most important aspect of being an NFL QB.

Vick was NOT a great player.

[ThunderHorse]

Vick was NOT a great player.

See, whats sad is...

if Vick doesn't go through the whole dog scandal,

and his career continued just like it was...

He makes the HOF eventually. and there aren't to many bad players in the HOF.

[Point Blank]

Are you EVER going to enter the discussion about Mike Vick the football player? Or are you just going to continue to flame people, then deny culpability when you are called out.

Back under the bridge, troll.

People keep insisting that Vick was a great football player, I disagree and back up my statement with facts. Sorry if I am 'hating'.

What does a great football player mean to you, first and foremost? We all know he wasn't a great QB, now explain to what are the characteristics of a great football player should have?

And I'm not trolling or flaming anyone. Everything I say it seems like you always have to say something.

[FirstTimer]

yea...

its just the fact that I think a lot of people are bitter or have other issues with him...

granted, no one ever says he was a great passer, to say he was a bad player is just being a hater.

like saying Manning is a bad player for his failures in the playoffs, or Brady is a bad player for his failure in the playoffs after the Patriot Defense began to age.

Brett Favre is a failure because hes the all time Interception leader.

Barry Sanders is a failure because he leads the league in all time negative rushes and rushing yards.

Granted, I'd understand the flaming if someone had dared to say Vick was the greatest quarterback to ever play... but to shit all over him just because of the fact that people think he was a pretty good player, doesn't fail to amaze me.

Ahh the Mick Vick persecution circle jerk continues...

Who ever said Vick was a "bad player?" The worst I have seen as an overall assesment is "barely above average".


LOL at comparing Mike Vick not being able to throw properly to the small issues with Hall of Famers. STFU.

[Senser81]

See, whats sad is...

if Vick doesn't go through the whole dog scandal,

and his career continued just like it was...

He makes the HOF eventually. and there aren't to many bad players in the HOF.

Hopefully not even Point Blank can lower himself to thanking this post...

[ThunderHorse]

Hopefully not even Point Blank can lower himself to thanking this post...

Well,

I know with your blind hatred its hard to accept...

but eventually he would have, whether you accept it or not... not to many players like Vick play every Sunday, had everything in his life not fallen to shit, he probably would have made it.

granted, not immediately, but in time.

as of now however, people only remember the bad things, they have a completely negative image of the man, and despite all of the great games and amazing things he did, people like you want to look purely at the negatives.

and sadly, its like Ricky Waters, the guy was a great player, but because of his character, people forgot about him quickly, and only remember the bad things.

when you have a guy that probably should be in the HOF and hasn't made it.

now I'm not saying vick Should be in the HOF, but if he would have kept it up for 3 or 4 more years and just got old and fallen off, more then likely he would have made it.

[mgoblue2290]

userpikk187=BBIB?


I miss his relentless man love for Mike Vick. I'm sure he thinks Matt Ryan is the second coming of Joe Montana.

[Senser81]

What does a great football player mean to you, first and foremost? We all know he wasn't a great QB, now explain to what are the characteristics of a great football player should have?

Getting closer. You still are just questioning my intelligence and not making any points of your own, but at least you've quit the personal attacks.

I've already posted my thoughts on this several times. See my Position Exclusivity and Kordell Stewart postings in this thread.

A great football player should be able to excel at his position. Vick didn't.

If a great football player can't excel at one position, he should be really good at other positions. Vick wasn't.

[FirstTimer]

See, whats sad is...

if Vick doesn't go through the whole dog scandal,

and his career continued just like it was...

He makes the HOF eventually. and there aren't to many bad players in the HOF.

No he doesn't.

Randall Cunningham was Mike Vick x25 when Vick was in huggies and he won't get into the HOF.

Vick was not a HOF'er.

Not even close.

If you believe he was you know nothing about football.

What does a great football player mean to you, first and foremost? We all know he wasn't a great QB, now explain to what are the characteristics of a great football player should have?

A player that excells at all aspects of his position.

Vick played only QB as a player and did not excell at all aspects of the position. In fact he excelled at only one, perhaps the most insignificant aspect of being a QB: running.

[ThunderHorse]

userpikk187=BBIB?


I miss his relentless man love for Mike Vick. I'm sure he thinks Matt Ryan is the second coming of Joe Montana.

Sorry buddy...

but I for one have said Matt Ryan is overrated as of now...

heart breaker huh?

[Senser81]

Yeah, hearing peoples honest opinion of Vick is cool but some people just straight up HATE him for no reason (Not including the dog fighting shit). That shit annoys me. I'm not a Vick fan boy either. I've never seen so much hatred over one player in my life..lol.

Who were you talking about, specifically?