So where does Vick end up? [Who wants him?/Who will get him?]

[Liquidrob]

And you can't compare Dan Orlovsky to Vick because Orlovsky didn't run for 1,000 yards either or take his team to an NFC Championship Game.

yes I can, his best season was only .3 better than Danny O, I am comparing there percentages, its really not that hard to understand

his running yards having nothing to do with his comp % stats

NFC Championship game has nothing to do with his % either, that is a team goal

[DSpydr84]

Michael Vick will be so jacked from coming out of jail that he will thrive as an interior linebacker with Rex Ryan.

[NAHSTE]

yes I can, his best season was only .3 better than Danny O, I am comparing there percentages, its really not that hard to understand

his running yards having nothing to do with his comp % stats

NFC Championship game has nothing to do with his % either, that is a team goal

When did Orlovsky even have a "season" to speak of, much less a "best season"? Dude is a backup, you're comparing a guy who's played in a handful of games to a 5-year starter.

just saying.....

[Liquidrob]

When did Orlovsky even have a "season" to speak of, much less a "best season"? Dude is a backup, you're comparing a guy who's played in a handful of games to a 5-year starter.

just saying.....

ok, Dan Orlovsky threw the ball 255 times last year, his % was 56.1

Mike Vick threw the ball 321 times in 04 and had a 56.4 %

Here's some more for you

In 2006, Vicks last season, he had a 52.6 comp %

he would have ranked 32nd last season, right under JeMarcus Rusell 53.8 and above Derek Anderson 50.2

maybe if they coach him up he can get back to his Dan Orlovsky like numbers of 04...

[dave]

ok, Dan Orlovsky threw the ball 255 times last year, his % was 56.1

Mike Vick threw the ball 321 times in 04 and had a 56.4 %

Here's some more for you

In 2006, Vicks last season, he had a 52.6 comp %

he would have ranked 32nd last season, right under JeMarcus Rusell 53.8 and above Derek Anderson 50.2

maybe if they coach him up he can get back to his Dan Orlovsky like numbers of 04...

You can't compare Vick to those stiffs, because Vick brought more to the table than just his arm.
Vick was unique.
Admittedly, he was no Steve Young completion percentage-wise, but he was unique, brought people to the Georgia Dome, sold a ton of jerseys, etc...

Too compare Vick to those guys is an injustice.

IMO, the biggest issue Vick faced during his playing days was coaches trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

Clearly, he's never gonna be one of those 65% guys ... but he can win you games if you take advantage of his unique skillset.

Can he still do that? Of course no one is 100% sure, but I am damn sure QB is the only position where he can make a successful return to the NFL.

[Saluki]

Dan Orlovsky won zero games in his career, Vick has been to an NFC Championship, not sayin Vick is amazing, but please don't compare the two.

[Liquidrob]

some of you guys are just crazy and cant understand my point

I am not saying that Orlovsky is better than Vick, I am saying Vick sucks as a passer and is not accurate and never has been, when you have comparable completion percentages to those clowns, it shows you something

he can not be 'coached up' to have a better %, he has already shown that, we have 5 years of stats to prove this, you cant argue that

now we have a guy that has taken 2 years off, never showed the ability to read a defense, understand an offense, or improve his passing game, so know you think you can pluke this guy from jail and he is going to able to do this things now in the toughest psotion to play in the NFL? lol

[Liquidrob]

Dan Orlovsky won zero games in his career, Vick has been to an NFC Championship, not sayin Vick is amazing, but please don't compare the two.

the..lions..suck...

the quarterback is not the only player on the team

wins = a team stat

[ChemTheThriller]

the..lions..suck...

the quarterback is not the only player on the team

wins = a team stat

It's funny though how so many people dump wins and losses on a QB's shoulders, the QB has the most impact of any player on the field to change the outcome of the game...

I agree completely with dave, who gives a fuck if vick is a mid 50% completion, who cares? honestly, he brings unique skills to the game that don't correlate with the passing game stats, I will take 1000 rushing yards over 5% better accuracy...

Vick's last season he avg. 220 YPG total, 1.37 TDPG, and .25 FumPG comparing that to last season's players...

Chad Pennington QB Rating 97.4 YPG 231 TDPG 1.25 FumPG .25 Comp% 67.4
Jeff Garcia QB Rating 90.2 YPG 238 TDPG .81 FumPG .43 Comp% 64.9
Matt Ryan QB Rating 87.7 YPG 221 TDPG 1.06 FumPG .37 Comp%61.1
Eli Manning QB Rating86.4 YPG 203 TDPG 1.37 FumPG .31 Comp% 60.3
Jake Del Homme QB Rating84.7 YPG 207 TDPG 1.06 FumPG .31 Comp% 59.4
Ben Rothlisberger QB Rating80.1 YPG 212 TDPG 1.18 FumPG .87 Comp% 59.9

There are some pretty big name QBs, obviously will all know vick isn't the best, no one has ever argued he is the best QB... but when you throw those numbers out how can you argue he is one of the worst or below avg..

Eh I'm done with this topic, time to go drink my near beer =(

[ultfrisbee]

Let's just say that as a passer, Vick was in the 2nd half of the league starters, but if you take into account his running game, that has him going AT LEAST in the first half.

[RosettaStoned]

Vick's receivers dropped some balls too.....

[Senser81]

but he was unique, brought people to the Georgia Dome, sold a ton of jerseys, etc...

Yeah, that was a first in the NFL...a guy who played the quarterback position, brought fans to the stadium, and sold a ton of jerseys. LMAO!

What made Vick unique is the fact that he kinda sucked and people were still so retarded they bought his jersey. Kinda like people who bought Toni Kukoc jerseys when he was on the Bulls.

[Prodigal Son]

Until the Triple Option becomes successful in the NFL, Vick will be the black Eric Crouch.

[FirstTimer]

Anyone who doesn't think Vick at his best is a top 10 QB is kidding themselves. Despite what people say he was a serviceable QB and a possesses a higher win % than Drew Brees or Jay Cutler.

He was not Top 10 when he was in the NFL. At anytime during Vick's career I could easily name ten qb's I would rather have than him and it's not even close.

Only thing he was lacking was accuracy, and that is coachable. Let's not forget he had Greg "I Will Get My Head Coach Fired" Knapp as his coordinator.

Bull. Vick's accuracy was never coachable because Vick refused to be coached. He never cared. Hence why even as a 6 year NFL vet Vick still was not allowed to call audibles at the LOS. Matt Ryan was calling audibles in Week 8.

There's a dichotomy in that statement. An elite NFL arm must be accurate. Accuracy is the most important facet after fast [sound] decision making and leadership, no?

Good post.

he was not accurate, could not read a defense, could not learn an offense, fumbled the ball alot, etc...

he was not a top 10 QB, ever

winning %, lol, sounds like the same arguement for guys like Jay Fiedler

Orton's win %>>>Vick.

Vicks completion %

2001 - 44.2
2002 - 54.9
2003 - 50.0
2004 - 56.4
2005 - 55.3
2006 - 52.6

In his 'best' year he had a 56.4 %, that would put him .3 above Dan Orlovsky last season

Good post. LOL at "coachable" accuracy.

LOL at calling a playoff winning QB a "project"

LOL at calling Vick a playoff winning QB. He has the same record as Rex Grossman(2-2), and Grossman has been to a Super Bowl as a starter. Vick has not.

Vick doesn't even have a winning record in the playoffs. So how is he a playoff winning QB? Simply because he won a game?

Steve Walsh is a "playoff winning QB" too then.

IMO, the biggest issue Vick faced during his playing days was coaches trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

Vick's coaches did everything to allow him to pass the ball. He played in an down the field passing attack, a West Coast system. Everything. Still he never showed to be coachable. Ever.

There are some pretty big name QBs, obviously will all know vick isn't the best, no one has ever argued he is the best QB... but when you throw those numbers out how can you argue he is one of the worst or below avg..

B/c no one ever argued that. Vick was an average QB. That's it. Not worst or below average. An average. One. Where the hell did anyone say he was one of the worst or below average? I seriously think Vick fanboys can't read or have some filter on their brains that changes evaluations into "Vick sucks"

Person: "Vick was an average QB."

VickFan Boy translation: " Vick was on of the worst in the NFL."

STFU.

[ralaw]

Generally I think Vick supporters tend to overrate him while Vick detractors tend to underrate him when in reality Vick was somewhere in the middle. Vick wasn’t a great passer and didn’t win as much as his supporters would like to believe, but he also shouldn't be compared to marginal backups or guys who never played a down in the league. Vick may not have had the passing stats, but there was no denying his ability as a playmaker. He simply made plays, which made opposing teams have to account for him. Vick was an exceptional runner and his passing ability was good enough where teams had to respect it. From a fan perspective when a play broke down (sometimes due to Vick and other times not) Vick was just fun to watch.