The breakdown of P4P meaning and fighters

[Liquidrob]

Now the fun part, trying to rank the top 10, comments, concerns and argueing will be welcomed

1. Fedor Emelianenko 30-1-0
2. Georges St. Pierre 18-2-0
3. Anderson 'And1' Silva 24-4-0
4. Miguel Torres 37-1-0
5. BJ Penn 13-5-1
6. Lyoto Machida 15-0-0
7. Quinton 'Rampage' Jackson 30-7-0
8. Mike Thomas Brown 22-4-0
9. Mauricio 'Shogun' Rua 18-3-0
10. Shinya Aoki 20-4-0

Thoughts? Who should be out? Who should be in? Your 10?

[EmpireWF]

Now the fun part, trying to rank the top 10, comments, concerns and argueing will be welcomed

1. Fedor Emelianenko 30-1-0
2. Georges St. Pierre 18-2-0
3. Anderson 'And1' Silva 24-4-0
4. Miguel Torres 37-1-0
5. BJ Penn 13-5-1
6. Lyoto Machida 15-0-0
7. Quinton 'Rampage' Jackson 30-7-0
8. Mike Thomas Brown 22-4-0
9. Mauricio 'Shogun' Rua 18-3-0
10. Shinya Aoki 20-4-0

Thoughts? Who should be out? Who should be in? Your 10?

top four are debatable but can't argue who's there.

You figure Penn, Machida and Rampage will be among the middle of the crop. No arguments here.

Mike Brown deserves a top 10 spot...I guess. Haven't given him much thought because a large part of his game is his awesome power.

No way should Aoki be here IMO. He was destroyed by Sakurai, but if everyone is the same size, does he still get destroyed?

my top 10 PFP would look like

1. GSP
2. Fedor
3. Anderson Silva
4. Torres
5. Machida
6. Penn
7. Rampage
8. Mike Brown
9. not sure, I'd still put Faber here.
10. Shogun or Hendo

Fitch, Florian, Aoki?, Evans would all be considered too

[Liquidrob]

top four are debatable but can't argue who's there.

You figure Penn, Machida and Rampage will be among the middle of the crop. No arguments here.

Mike Brown deserves a top 10 spot...I guess. Haven't given him much thought because a large part of his game is his awesome power.

No way should Aoki be here IMO. He was destroyed by Sakurai, but if everyone is the same size, does he still get destroyed?

my top 10 PFP would look like

1. GSP
2. Fedor
3. Anderson Silva
4. Torres
5. Machida
6. Penn
7. Rampage
8. Mike Brown
9. not sure, I'd still put Faber here.
10. Shogun or Hendo

Fitch, Florian, Aoki?, Evans would all be considered too

Fitch is very good, whats hurts him is his biggest wins would be Diego who is now 155 and Alves, Fitch is a super hard worker, probably would be the champ of 170 if GSP wasnt there, but he just doesnt have a signature win to go along with his skill set, Fitch is right there though

Florian no way, besides BJ the UFC doesnt have the top flight LWs, Joe Daddy and Huerta dont cut it, skill set wise he is very solid though, he has improved a lot from his TUF days

Rashad was up there because of an undefeated record and his overall skill, but drops like a rock with the loss because all he has to fall back on is a Ttio draw, Bisping win a 185er now and Forrest win

I had resevations about Aoki in the top 10, Sakuri losses are not that bad seeing the size Sakuri can big compared to Aoki, but wins over Alvarez, JZ and Hansen are huge and he has fought 9 times since 08, thats crazy plus his 1 skill is probably the best in MMA

I think Hendo or Forrest would be the guys to bump Aoki if I had to do it over again

I would love to put Faber, but 2 losses in a row to Brown gets him bumped

[Liquidrob]

Some other top 10 rankings from other MMA websites

Yahoo's top 10 p4p

1. Fedor Emelianenko (29-1-1)
1. Georges St-Pierre (18-2)
3. Anderson Silva (23-4)
4. Miguel Angel Torres (36-1)
5. Rashad Evans (13-0-1)
6. BJ Penn (13-5-1)
7. Lyoto Machida (14-0)
8. Quinton Jackson (30-7)
9. Mike Brown (21-4)
10. Urijah Faber (22-2)

Sherdog's top 10 p4p

1. Silva
2. GSP
3. Fedor
4. Machida
5. Torres
6. Penn
7. Rampage
8. Mike Brown
9. Alves
10. Evans

Fight Matrix

1. Georges St. Pierre
2. Anderson Silva
3. Fedor Emelianenko
4. Miguel Torres
5. Mike Thomas Brown
6. Lyoto Machida
7. Shinichi Kojima
8. Quinton Jackson
9. Thiago Alves
10. Jake Shields

MMA News

1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Anderson Silva
3. Georges St. Pierre
4. Lyoto Machida
5. Miguel Torres
6. Rashad Evans
7. BJ Penn
8. Quinton Jackson
9. Thiago Alves
10. Mike Brown

[Steel Mamba]

Gonna make a few changes to my old P4P list:

+ (stock on the rise, guys I see moving higher pretty soon)
- (dropping)
+- (neutral)

1. GSP
2. Anderson Silva +
3. Fedor
4. Machida +
5. Torres +
6. BJ Penn
7. Rampage - (Still haven't been overly impressed with his UFC performances, Rampage will always remain a top LHW contender, but I can see some guys moving ahead of him in P4P if he doesn't start showing that total game that he had back in Pride)
8. Shogun +- (Neutral, Shogun can move either way at this point. If the Shogun from Pride is back he's going to be moving up. If the Shogun that fought Mark Coleman resurfaces then he could move back down)
9. Mike Brown +-
10. Faber +-

Honorable Mention:

Sean Sherk, Nick Diaz, Jon Fitch, Jake Shields, Aoki, Rashad Evans, Randy Couture, Frank Mir, and Hendo.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

1. Fedor
- The king stay the king.

2a. Anderson Silva
2b. GSP
2c. Miguel Torres
-You can't really distinguish any of these guys from one another...all just dominant.

5. BJ Penn
6. Lyoto Machida
- Machida jumps Penn with a good showing at his first defense. He'll have to dominate for a while to enter the that next tier.

7. Rampage
8. Shogun
9. Brown
10. Shields

HM: Aoki, Evans, Faber, Alves, Fitch
- You could pretty much interchange anyone from 7-15+ and it not make a difference to me. Put Shields in to be a little different...I can't remember the last time he lost. I don't think I was of drinking age yet. Aoki, Evans, and Faber are coming off losses. Alves had one of the best years of anyone in the Octagon. I find it tough to rate Brown so highly, but I figure I have to do it considering he's the champ and put Faber down twice and I would have put Faber in the top 10 if he won...I just think, where was Brown ranked before the Faber fights? I'd guess no where near the Top 15 p4p.

[Liquidrob]

I love how Bob '145 guru' Kuzzy called me crazy for putting Brown in the top 10, but now almost every p4p ranking sites have Browm in the top 10 and so do the rest of the VSN MMA guys

I would love to see Kuzzy's top 10 list since he is so sure Brown isnt in it

[Liquidrob]

Gonna make a few changes to my old P4P list:

+ (stock on the rise, guys I see moving higher pretty soon)
- (dropping)
+- (neutral)

1. GSP
2. Anderson Silva +
3. Fedor
4. Machida +
5. Torres +
6. BJ Penn
7. Rampage - (Still haven't been overly impressed with his UFC performances, Rampage will always remain a top LHW contender, but I can see some guys moving ahead of him in P4P if he doesn't start showing that total game that he had back in Pride)
8. Shogun +- (Neutral, Shogun can move either way at this point. If the Shogun from Pride is back he's going to be moving up. If the Shogun that fought Mark Coleman resurfaces then he could move back down)
9. Mike Brown +-
10. Faber +-

Honorable Mention:

Sean Sherk, Nick Diaz, Jon Fitch, Jake Shields, Aoki, Rashad Evans, Randy Couture, Frank Mir, and Hendo.

I dont agree with your rankings, but I do like the 'rise, dropping and neutral', nice add on

but I find it funny that Silva is on the rise at 2, but Fedor who is fighting the number 2 HW in the world is not on the rise and guys like Machida and Torres under him can pass him up according to your system it seems

[Kuzzy Powers]

I love how Bob '145 guru' Kuzzy called me crazy for putting Brown in the top 10, but now almost every p4p ranking sites have Browm in the top 10 and so do the rest of the VSN MMA guys

I would love to see Kuzzy's top 10 list since he is so sure Brown isnt in it

I already posted a top 10 in the other thread. Id do some tweaking to it however. Still wouldnt include Brown tho. If Brown whipes the floor with Aldo, I will strongly consider him for the top 10.

BTW, as it relates to those sites.. I think a lot of them were forced to include Brown bcus they had Faber in there before and its tough to put Faber ahead of Brown after 2 losses. IMO I still think Faber is the better fighter, and I still believe he would've avenged his loss if he didnt break his hands. That being said, I myself wouldnt put Faber ahead of Brown anymore bcus thats simply not fair to Brown after 2 victories. But I really do believe Urijah wins that fight with a healthy right.

BTW im really digging the nickname "145 guru". Pls only refer to me as that from now on.

[Liquidrob]

1. Fedor
- The king stay the king.

2a. Anderson Silva
2b. GSP
2c. Miguel Torres
-You can't really distinguish any of these guys from one another...all just dominant.

5. BJ Penn
6. Lyoto Machida
- Machida jumps Penn with a good showing at his first defense. He'll have to dominate for a while to enter the that next tier.

7. Rampage
8. Shogun
9. Brown
10. Shields

HM: Aoki, Evans, Faber, Alves, Fitch
- You could pretty much interchange anyone from 7-15+ and it not make a difference to me. Put Shields in to be a little different...I can't remember the last time he lost. I don't think I was of drinking age yet. Aoki, Evans, and Faber are coming off losses. Alves had one of the best years of anyone in the Octagon. I find it tough to rate Brown so highly, but I figure I have to do it considering he's the champ and put Faber down twice and I would have put Faber in the top 10 if he won...I just think, where was Brown ranked before the Faber fights? I'd guess no where near the Top 15 p4p.

Nice rankings, but get off the fence and put them in order, it wont hurt there feelings!

Shouldnt be tough to rate Brown, actually he is kind of like when Silva burst onto the UFC scene, Silva and Brown were both good figthers, but no one was going crazy over them than they come and and beat a champ twice who was dominate for a long time in Faber and Rich and Silva was right in the mix after that just like Brown is now

Case could be made that Uriah was/is better than Rich which I think he was anyway

Actually, Silva was in the mix after beating Leben, Rich and than Lutter, so putting Brown in for beating Uriah, Garcia and Uriah again is not that hard to do

[EmpireWF]

I dont agree with your rankings, but I do like the 'rise, dropping and neutral', nice add on

but I find it funny that Silva is on the rise at 2, but Fedor who is fighting the number 2 HW in the world is not on the rise and guys like Machida and Torres under him can pass him up according to your system it seems

Why would Fedor be on the rise, he has not fought since January? At least thats how I understand his +/- stuff.

Silva just fought in April and was never in danger against an undefeated challenger

[Liquidrob]

Why would Fedor be on the rise, he has not fought since January? At least thats how I understand his +/- stuff.

Silva just fought in April and was never in danger against an undefeated challenger

Maybe I interpreted it wrong, figured he just blasted a high ranked fighter (at the time) in his last fight and is going to fight the number 2 HW in the world in a month or so, if he is in the 3 spot he has room to move up, seems like Fedor has no shot to move up and would have beating 3 of the top 10 HWs in the world if he beats Barnett

Silva would not get an ‘on the rise’ from me for that last fight, Thales had a great record, but didn’t have any wins to be even ranked high, Silva just coasted against a guy who was out classed and probably shouldn’t have been in there to begin with

Also, Silva is already number 2 in his rankings, so pretty tough to be on the rise with GSP in front of you fighting the number 1 challenger for the belt next in Alves

I’m splitting hairs, but that’s what we do in this thread

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Nice rankings, but get off the fence and put them in order, it wont hurt there feelings!

Shouldnt be tough to rate Brown, actually he is kind of like when Silva burst onto the UFC scene, Silva and Brown were both good figthers, but no one was going crazy over them than they come and and beat a champ twice who was dominate for a long time in Faber and Rich and Silva was right in the mix after that just like Brown is now

Case could be made that Uriah was/is better than Rich which I think he was anyway

Actually, Silva was in the mix after beating Leben, Rich and than Lutter, so putting Brown in for beating Uriah, Garcia and Uriah again is not that hard to do

I did rank them...Silva, GSP, and Torres...I'm actually close to putting Torres ahead of GSP.

+points go to guys who haven't lost in an eternity. It is tough to get a long win streak going in this sport, and I like to reward the guys who do.

Maybe its because I haven't seen a whole lot of Brown before Faber I, but I have a hard time ranking him because if I imagine a catch-weight fight with Brown vs. whomever, I'd probably pick the other guy more often than not. Might lose some money, but that's just MO.

[Steel Mamba]

I dont agree with your rankings, but I do like the 'rise, dropping and neutral', nice add on

but I find it funny that Silva is on the rise at 2, but Fedor who is fighting the number 2 HW in the world is not on the rise and guys like Machida and Torres under him can pass him up according to your system it seems

It's not a knock on Fedor at all, of course Fedor can move to that #1 spot but if things shake out the way I think they will then I don't see him pushing down GSP or Silva in the next 6 months or so. I predict both GSP and Silva will win and put on good performances against two very solid contenders, and given their level of skill I just can't see them moving down after that even if Fedor does beat Barnett. So, it's not so much a matter of Fedor's ability to raise, rather it's an issue with either GSP or Silva dropping out of the top two.

Also, this is just my short-term projections, so keep that in mind too.

[Kuzzy Powers]

I did rank them...Silva, GSP, and Torres...I'm actually close to putting Torres ahead of GSP.

+points go to guys who haven't lost in an eternity. It is tough to get a long win streak going in this sport, and I like to reward the guys who do.

Maybe its because I haven't seen a whole lot of Brown before Faber I, but I have a hard time ranking him because if I imagine a catch-weight fight with Brown vs. whomever, I'd probably pick the other guy more often than not. Might lose some money, but that's just MO.

Agreed on this. If Brown is fighting catchweight against more than a handful of LW's I know, im picking Brown to lose. (And if Brown and Faber fight again, im picking Urijah). Of course Brown will attribute this to size, which is fine, but doesnt change the fact. Hence why I continuously harped on who has Brown really beaten in his time. A win over an impressive Aldo would definitely help his ranks with me tho.