The breakdown of P4P meaning and fighters

[EmpireWF]

Sorry, Aoki is too one dimensional for my tastes in P4P rankings. He's great at grappling, no doubt, but most of these guys are.

Also, I don't know about Melendez in the top 10. For one, I'd have Henderson above him. As good, if not better wrestling and more powerful striker.

Surprised you don't have Aldo higher than 9. I'd have him right after Penn.

[Steel Mamba]

Updated

1. Georges St. Pierre
2. Fedor Emelianenko
3. Anderson Silva
4. BJ Penn
5. Shogun Rua
6. Lyoto Machida
7. Gegard Mousasi
8. Shinya Aoki
9. Jose Aldo
10. Gilbert Melendez

Honorable Mentions: Mike Thomas Brown, Uriah Faber, Eddie Alvarez, Dan Henderson, Jake Shields

Hendo? But no Rampage?

[Liquidrob]

Hendo? But no Rampage?

Isnt he retired, is the Rashad fight even on?

[EmpireWF]

Isnt he retired, is the Rashad fight even on?

Yep, Rashad/Rampage on May 29th in Vegas.

[Liquidrob]

Yep, Rashad/Rampage on May 29th in Vegas.

ok cool, after Rampage KO's him he will probably crack the top 10

man, I would have to look up to see who Rampage actually fought last, lol, its been forever

[EmpireWF]

ok cool, after Rampage KO's him he will probably crack the top 10

man, I would have to look up to see who Rampage actually fought last, lol, its been forever

Jardine in March 2009.

[Liquidrob]

Sorry, Aoki is too one dimensional for my tastes in P4P rankings. He's great at grappling, no doubt, but most of these guys are.

Also, I don't know about Melendez in the top 10. For one, I'd have Henderson above him. As good, if not better wrestling and more powerful striker.

Surprised you don't have Aldo higher than 9. I'd have him right after Penn.

Aoki is just to dominate at LW to be denied, he uses his grappling/sub game better than almost anyone and can dicate where the fight goes even with less than stellar striking and not great TD's, he will pull guard, butt scoot, whatever it takes to bring the fight where it needs to be

Aldo will be higher once he dispatches Faber

[Steel Mamba]

Lets see, I don't think I updated my list in awhile so I'll post my thoughts as well.

1. Anderson Silva +- (When you dominate two weight divisions and being as well rounded as he is you get the #1 spot)
2. GSP +- (A great win over Penn makes GSP a strong challenger for that #1 spot. But I see Silva facing and beating tougher competition in the near future)
3. BJ Penn +- (Gotta give Penn the nod over Fedor here since he's facing the top guys in his division and will soon clean it out and that's what its about. To be considered a current P4P best it starts with actively dominating your division first and foremost)
4. Fedor - (Possibly the best champion in our sport and he could probably clean out the HW division if he wanted to. But, there's a big difference between probably and actually setting out to do it. So while he's no doubt the best HW in MMA that doesn't give him a pass from fighting against the best. Until he gets in there with the best again with so many other elite fighters on the rise his spot may continue to fall)
5. Machida + (undefeated and has fought the best of the best. Controversial win over Shogun, but it still has to be considered a win nonetheless)
6. Shogun + (Will swap places if he wins)
7. Jose Aldo +
8. Rampage -
9. Cain Velasquez +
10. Jon Fitch -

Just for reference here's my previous list - I believe this was from August

1. GSP
2. Anderson Silva +
3. Fedor - (Hasn't fought since Jan and a possible win over Brett Rogers doesn't do much for his stock)
4. Machida +
5. BJ Penn
6. Big Nog + (hard to put Nog over Penn right now since Nog is not the best in his division, he needs a few more solid wins to move back up the ranks IMO)
7. Rampage -
8. Shogun +-
9. Torres
10. Mike Brown

Trying to keep them somewhat weighted I guess you could say - so basically Big Nog previously being 6 and Cain whippin that ass, on top of how good he is gets him the #8 spot on my updated list. As mentioned there as well Fedor's stock was already dropping so after a tightly contested fight with a green Rogers and not having any fights coming up assuming until the Summer, yes Fedor drops to #4. But, lets be honest when you look at Silva, GSP, and Penn are those three not the most well rounded fighters in MMA right now? Aren't they facing all of the top guys in (and out) of their division? Those three deserve the top spots.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

1. Fedor Emelianenko
2a. Georges St. Pierre
2b. Anderson Silva
4. BJ Penn
5. Lyoto Machida
6. Mike Brown
7. Gegard Mousasi
8. Rampage Jackson
9. Jake Shields
10. Miguel Torres

Damn, haven't done one of these in like 6 months...

1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Georges St. Pierre
3. Anderson Silva
4. BJ Penn
5. Lyoto Machida
6. Gegard Mousasi
7. Jose Aldo
8. Shinya Aoki
9. Jake Shields
10. Jon Fitch

HM - Dan Henderson, Shogun Rua...

[Liquidrob]

3. BJ Penn +- (Gotta give Penn the nod over Fedor here since he's facing the top guys in his division and will soon clean it out and that's what its about. To be considered a current P4P best it starts with actively dominating your division first and foremost)
4. Fedor - (Possibly the best champion in our sport and he could probably clean out the HW division if he wanted to. But, there's a big difference between probably and actually setting out to do it. So while he's no doubt the best HW in MMA that doesn't give him a pass from fighting against the best. Until he gets in there with the best again with so many other elite fighters on the rise his spot may continue to fall)

your list is your list, but I will debate this point, Fedor already cleaned out the best HW division in Pride and than continued to beat 3 straight top 10 HW's, Barnett would have been great, but oh well, BJ is beating guys who have failed at 170 and found on TUF, just because he is in the UFC doesnt make the division stacked

BJ has come back and beat Jens Pulver (huh?), Joe Daddy (lol), Sherk (post juice), Ken Flo (Best guy he beat but who has Ken Flo beat?) and Diego (Yes!)

Is that really something special? I love Penn but he is not fighting the best LW's in the world, he just isnt, the UFC doesnt pay for the best LWs' and don't bring in the best LW's besides BJ

[SHOGUN]

Steel Mamba again with a bass ackwards double standard.

You claim that Fedor hasn't been fighting top guys (even though his last three opponents have been consensus Top 10; something NONE of the UFC HWs can claim in the same stretch), but Penn beats the shit out of another mid-tier WW on a diet and suddenly he's close to cleaning out 155? Not even close. Either your standards are inconsistent or you must think extremely high of the UFC's LW division. Alvarez, Aoki, Kawajiri and Melendez are the guys he has to go through for that claim.

[Steel Mamba]

your list is your list, but I will debate this point, Fedor already cleaned out the best HW division in Pride and than continued to beat 3 straight top 10 HW's, Barnett would have been great, but oh well, BJ is beating guys who have failed at 170 and found on TUF, just because he is in the UFC doesnt make the division stacked

BJ has come back and beat Jens Pulver (huh?), Joe Daddy (lol), Sherk (post juice), Ken Flo (Best guy he beat but who has Ken Flo beat?) and Diego (Yes!)

Is that really something special? I love Penn but he is not fighting the best LW's in the world, he just isnt, the UFC doesnt pay for the best LWs' and don't bring in the best LW's besides BJ

I guess it depends on how you look at it. In 2005 Fedor was easily the #1 P4P fighter in the world.. But now?? When we're talking about current P4P best I think it's really about what have you done for me lately. On the other hand if I was making an all time best list then no doubt Fedor gets that #1 spot without argument. IMO the two are different.

So keep 2 things in mind - 1 you know overall skill and ability comes first over resumes with me. With that said who's the better all around fighter? It's splitting hairs but I would go with Penn on that. Penn edges him out standing, Fedor takes GnP and wrestling, while Penn also outs him in BJJ and Takedown Defense. So I don't think it's much of a stretch to put BJ ahead of Fedor right now.

2. I'm putting things into current perspective. Tim Sylvia and AA have been EXPOSED.

Basically like I already said sure Fedor would probably smash everyone in the UFC, but again there's a difference between probably and actually doing it.

Also what I think is obviously going on is that you guys are severely. Severely! underestimating Sean Sherk.

So we have:

Ken Flo
Sean Sherk
Diego

vs

Hong Man
Sylvia
AA
Rogers


Not exactly a star studded list by either guy, but yeah I'm giving the nod to Penn mainly because of Sherk.

[EmpireWF]

If they were the same size, who would win? Fedor or Penn?

[Steel Mamba]

If they were the same size, who would win? Fedor or Penn?

I think Fedor has shown that he's very susceptible standing, yeah he still knocked AA and Rogers out, but those two aren't nearly as elusive or fundamentally sound as Penn is. So I think Penn cold avoid Fedors power and work him striking. Size being equal I think Fedor has a hard time getting and keeping Penn down.

[Kuzzy Powers]

Double post fail.. to make up for it heres Gina Carano getting her tit squeezed + others.





But never sleep on..



She'd make my top 10 p4p womens list..