Strikeforce thoughts

[Anthony]

so because the fights didnt go the distance and you were disappointed you say the fights were garbage? lmao

What didn't make it garbage?, I'd love to hear your side.

[Steel Mamba]

Lmao @ me saying Bisping/Hendo was fight of the year. GTFO dude..

You're obviously missing the point here.. established fans dont mind events like these. Trying to draw fans is the problem here. Noone is going to be hyping up the awesome Strikefroce show to their friends or co-workers and telling them to watch next time after this event. If you dont think it was a let-down, you're the one thats bias.. but in Strikeforce's favour.

A shitty event is a shitty event to me.. the last UFC event was highly mediocre. UFC 100 was a huge let-down for the press it was receiving too, but atleast the UFC got to market all their stars as winners during the event, lol. If you honestly believe people wanted to see Guy-Borg destroy Gina in 5 minutes.. you're smoking the rock. If Gina goes down with a fight its all good.. getting destructed isnt a good look. Your co-main event sharing similar fate aswell.

People would rather see Kimbo fight a scrub than dudes they've never heard of end fights quickly and the chick they jerk off to getting destroyed in 1 round. Face reality.

Didn't say you, but one of you guys did. I'm not missing the point. While StrikeForce wasn't a jaw dropping event, for any new fan I'd rather them see that than UFC 101.

[Anthony]

Didn't say you, but one of you guys did. I'm not missing the point. While StrikeForce wasn't a jaw dropping event, for any new fan I'd rather them see that than UFC 101.

the Neer vs Pellegrino fight was better than the entire Strikeforce event, lol.

[clovett]

What didn't make it garbage?, I'd love to hear your side.

Well for the simple fact that it was MMA was good enough for me. You had Carano, Babulu, Mosassi, and Melendez on the card. All good fighters in my opinion. Just because the fights were over quickly doesnt make it bad fights. If that were the case then you good say Lesnar/Mir 2 was a shitty fight.

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the Neer vs Pellegrino fight was better than the entire Strikeforce event, lol.

what? lol, Gil/Ishida was way better than Neer/Pellagrino

Neer was asking the ref to stand it up the entire fight while Pellagrino 'worked' in Neers guard

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I just talked to a big Gina fan, he is a casual fan, he still loves Gina and thinks that Cyborg is a beast and wants to see a rematch down the line

Of course Gina winning would have been great, but now Gina is still a draw and Cyborg is the baddest Women on the planet

[Anthony]

what? lol, Gil/Ishida was way better than Neer/Pellagrino

Neer was asking the ref to stand it up the entire fight while Pellagrino 'worked' in Neers guard

Ishida became a human punching bag, what did he do to actually make it a "Fight"? - I must've missed something.

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Plus now a star is born in Gegard Mousasi, dude is legit

Fights like Mousasi/Bablu feel like let downs when it happens, but after the fact it creates a great HL and hype for Mousasi now

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Ishida became a human punching bag, what did he do to actually make it a "Fight"? - I must've missed something.

He did more than anything Kurt or Josh did, Kurt coasted after each TD and never went for a finish, Neer worked some guard and didnt do anything, lol @ asking for stand ups

Gil and Ishida actually faught each other, Ishida was still pressing even as he was getting popped for most of the fight

[Steel Mamba]

There's a big difference between watching an event for free and paying 45 bucks to watch the premier org and being let down. In what situation is the first time fan going to have a more sour taste in his mouth?

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There's a big difference between watching an event for free and paying 45 bucks to watch the premier org and being let down. In what situation is the first time fan going to have a more sour taste in his mouth?

true, because most guys here probably just watch all the events for 'free' and cant judge them differently

[Anthony]

Plus now a star is born in Gegard Mousasi, dude is legit

Fights like Mousasi/Bablu feel like let downs when it happens, but after the fact it creates a great HL and hype for Mousasi now

Mousasi was a star to me even before the fight, but I understand what you're saying. There's tons of good fighters out their up for grabs, they could've done more it's all I am saying. Bring in Manhoef, King Mo, Lil Nog, Arona (If they can find him) etc.

Manhoef would be a huge hit with the casual fans.

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Mousasi was a star to me even before the fight, but I understand what you're saying. There's tons of good fighters out their up for grabs, they could've done more it's all I am saying.

they tried, Overeem hand was hurt, Diaz is busy smoking weed, Riggs went to the hospital, etc...

Babalu was the Strikeforce champ and they pulled off a fight that Affliction couldnt do, now we have Mousasi as the clear cut champ

Of course the fights could have been better, but this was still a showtime show and they were not asking you to pay $45

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From Jake Rossen at Sherdog, pretty much what I said, now they ave Carano and the killer in Cyborg

The fairly predictable thesis topics for MMA media coming out of this weekend: Severe-looking Cristiane “Cyborg” Santos defeats dimpled, doe-eyed Gina Carano, and women’s MMA immediately enters a blackout; Gina Carano was not as savage as advertised, damaging both her marketability and the quality of attention afforded to her sport; there is not enough female talent to support a recurring female division.

And one bonus springboard: Santos has a giant dragon tattooed on her back, and good God, is that the stuff of nightmares.

This is the great problem of an entire industry built almost exclusively on the talents and appeal of a single attraction. When Michael Phelps retires from swimming, his niche sport will resume anonymity. For millions of people in the 1970s, boxing started and ended with Muhammad Ali: No one else made their hairs stand up. Geena Davis, actress and archer, is the only reason you’ve ever seen the word “archery” in a mainstream publication. And you will never see it again.

This is not unreasonable thinking. Where it goes astray is the treatment of Carano’s loss as if it were some kind of assumed retirement. Carano isn’t going anywhere. And neither is the structure she helped build.

Danica Patrick, who is equally feminine in the equally masculine sport of car racing, attracts no end of attention despite the fact that she’s won exactly one major race in years of trying. Anna Kournikova was plastered on magazine covers for years, yet ESPN once named her one of the 25 biggest “sports flops” in history. For better or worse, female athletes tend to get leniency where male athletes would be shown the door.

It’s an ugly fact of beauty: Carano is pretty, and pretty people often land on their feet.

Carano will land on her feet.She’ll be fine. And so will Strikeforce, which finds itself in the curiously attractive position of having one genuine superstar in Carano and one genuine boogeylady in Santos. The depreciation of Carano’s reputation is outmatched by the new appeal of Santos, who may not instill quite the same adolescent appreciation -- boys rarely fantasize of women with necks like tree trunks -- but is staking a reputation as a female terminator. It’s an easy sell: Santos smash.

(Their rematch will be big business -- maybe CBS business. Carano can smile and say that the 10-month layoff affected her, and that this time will be different. And maybe it would be.)

Strikeforce is additionally insured by the fact that there are few rivals for female talent. The UFC had its opportunity to seize Carano but didn’t take it, citing a lack of opposition. Bellator is scheduled to host a women’s tournament this fall, but having a clearly defined star to emerge from that scene could only boost a potential money fight down the line with two promotions willing to carpool to the bank together.

Even better: Women who are influenced by Saturday’s fight could be heading to gyms now. And who knows where they wind up? The lead-time for a credible athlete to become proficient in MMA isn’t exactly intimidating. (Carano had four months of muay Thai before her first fight.) A female Thai or Western boxer wouldn’t be defending the tackle of a 250-pound NCAA-accredited wrestler, making the learning curve a little less steep. (That’s only assuming grapplers like 2004 Athens Bronze Medalist Patricia Miranda -- who might see the sense in following their male counterparts to the prizefighting ring -- sit it out.)

In many ways, women’s MMA resembles the evolution of male competition in the mid-1990s; some sloppy affairs mixed with legitimate contenders. The UFC survived the absence of Royce Gracie. And female fighting will survive Carano’s showing to continue giving the sport what no one thought it needed: more estrogen.

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Ref cam baby!